DanPesci Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 So just taking a quick look over the Deredeo pattern experimental rules on forgeworld. Seems like a failry decent firebase dread, with the option of skyfire/interceptor each turn. However, only codex marines, dark angels, and blood angels get access. Is there any actual reason for this? Is this maybe down to the 'relic of the armoury' rule no longer even making sense for us (as we cant take a rune priest with SotBS which is what is listed on other relic vehicles)? Maybe just an oversight? Or they just dont want wolves having them? Would have actually been interested in one of these for an all dread list...but....booooo rules!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 It's either an oversight, or it's because some trickle-wit in the rules department hates Space Wolves. The other factions had changes to their access to relics as well, so it shouldn't be because we can't take sagas any more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Out of interest did we get any changes to our 'relic of the armoury' ruling recently? (not up to date on the FW side of FAQs) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 It's essentially an über-Contemptor-Mortis. Space Wolves don't like Contemptors and can't take Mortis-pattern Dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Cause Long Fangs are smart enough to just die instead of being entombed? If it wasnt a long fang it'd end up with that honking big axe on your Venerable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Out of interest did we get any changes to our 'relic of the armoury' ruling recently? (not up to date on the FW side of FAQs) Last I heard was that we just need a rune priest to open up relics of the armoury. No need for a saga. I believe that was in an email response to a player's question, not an official FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Out of interest did we get any changes to our 'relic of the armoury' ruling recently? (not up to date on the FW side of FAQs) Last I heard was that we just need a rune priest to open up relics of the armoury. No need for a saga. I believe that was in an email response to a player's question, not an official FAQ. Indeed. It was just an email saying that you can take just an RP. Nothing official yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I asked a FW rep over the phone the other day. He said that there's no plans to give us access to the Derry, and there's no plans for alternate types of Derry either (e.g. non mortis load outs). Incidentally he said they're working on a rules update for (amongst other things) IA11, but that it will be at least a couple of months away because everyone's busy with other big projects (guessing HH book 5?). It will likely be a PDF update (like the badab characters one). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 because some trickle-wit in the rules department hates Space Wolves. I'm really starting to think it's this. While a good book, IA2:v2 did leave something of a bad taste in my mouth. Not only do we not get the Mortis, they didn't bother including the BA/SW Contemptors in the book, leaving them in IAA 2013 (making them the only unit form that book not included in the newer volume). The getting snubbed with the Daredo. It's enough to make a Wolf break out the tinfoil . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 because some trickle-wit in the rules department hates Space Wolves. I'm really starting to think it's this. While a good book, IA2:v2 did leave something of a bad taste in my mouth. Not only do we not get the Mortis, they didn't bother including the BA/SW Contemptors in the book, leaving them in IAA 2013 (making them the only unit form that book not included in the newer volume). The getting snubbed with the Daredo. It's enough to make a Wolf break out the tinfoil . We of the Dark Angel persuasion will move over and loan you our tinfoil... Of course we have been in here with chaos for 15 years or so, so it might be smelly in here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corton Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Do also keep in mind, that they are not official rules. they are 'experimental' rules, not the official printed version in the book. It will most likely change when introduced in a bound copy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hopefully our access to the Deredeo changes over time. I'd love to have some for my army, one to three, still figuring that out now. As it is, if they don't, then I say we email campaign: we can even end up writing our own fluff as to how a Long Fang from a pack is chosen to eventually make their way into one and help turn the tide in a battle with their skill of long arms as opposed to skill of arms, as it were! Anyone else feeling like writing some fluff for the big FW if they need it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouj Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I actually e-mailed them already since i was curious about why almost all basic marine chapters had access to it but not wolves. Never made sense that just because we only kept the worst of the worst wolves in contemptors that we didn't have access to them all. Is FW trying to tell me that no big bad wolf would kill people with his heavy weapons more than his axe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'm for the email campaign! Send in the Wolf Scouts to blow up their escape routes & plant hunter kill prog's in their cogitators! Muster our GH's & our Storm Grrs to follow up the Claws of Russ & lets storm their ForgeWorld & show them the Sons of Russ are worthy & bloody well be respected. And if not lets take them as trophies anyways & put them to the use they were intended for! We recover lost Imperial Navy's ships & keep them, why stop there? OK. Maybe a bit melodramtic but heh. It's like all things Mortis pattern. NOT for Wolves. Built into their STC or something. On the bright side, they are experimental rules so who knows. But I think we have a better chance of seeing a Relic Contemptor Dread all wolfed up with Great Axe, Blizzard shield & Cyclone as one of our HH kits.(I can dream can't I????) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I would literally do the happy dance if FW released a contemptor with blizzard shield and fenrisian great axe. And my wallet would just have to learn how to live with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 I would literally do the happy dance if FW released a contemptor with blizzard shield and fenrisian great axe. And my wallet would just have to learn how to live with it. Dont forget the torso mounted kheres assault cannons! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3935859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Another dread denied to us? I am eternally grateful that our normal dreads have become much more useful this codex (I ran two last game and won, and three the game before and won) but I love dreads. I love the contemptor. But when i heard we got a bush league version, i couldn't bring myself to buy. /puts on tinfoil hat. I'll just wait here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3936156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 It's enough to make a Wolf break out the tinfoil . Hmm... I feel your pain. Want a root beer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302752-no-deredeo-pattern-dread-for-us/#findComment-3936172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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