scatmandoo Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 As title. Basically, may be entitled to money towards either. Also options for neither are valid. If people could back up their views I would very much appreciate it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 edit: brain sill a bit hung over after a night of partying rule wise the avengerVULTURE with punisher cannons is the alpha flyer in our arsenal! model wise you will need to decide which you like best. However, have you considered converting either from the standard GW valkyrie? it's a lot cheaper and quite doable by standard kitbashing (really, coming up with the design is the hardest part and others have done that already for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 I have considered it and the thing I keep thinking is do I actually need either though. If I was to do it, I would like the main models as they are both great looking and that would encourage me to use them more though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 i was a bit cloudy in the head! what i meant to say was the vulture! it's an absolute beast. they get even better if you bring them in via a D-99 detachment. it makes them BS4 (so 5 if doing a strafing run), and gives them prefered enemy (tyranids/or other xenos but with a drawback). Those bad boys are pure gold! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Thanks for the tips Hendrik. Have you personally made one yourself? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I've made both a quick and easy vulture conversion, and a thunderbolt/avenger conversion. here's how both look: thunderbolt/avenger, prefer this model, but the rules can simply not compete with a vulture http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/IMG_20140626_152305_zpsmf6z7980.jpg and the vulture, build like a valkyrie,but ommited the troop compartment and replaced it with an engine block converted from the left over bits of a deathstrike missile. http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/IMG_20130906_125402_zps5543fa9d.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/IMG_20130906_125411_zps7b17b366.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/IMG_20130906_125421_zpsde5b2248.jpg ever since i've replaced the nose mounted guns with two wing ùmounted punisher cannons. to be honest, in hindside i sort of regret not taking more time for this conversion since constructing the typical vulture style engine could easely be done by using some plumbing pieces of the right scale. that being said, i love the paintjob and don't really feel like riping up this one to improve the conversion. I love what these guys did though:http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/5/11/104615_md-Conversion,%20Imperial%20Guard,%20Valkyrie,%20Vulture.JPG http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2012/1/24/320891_sm-Vulture%20MKII%20Top.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Brilliant, thanks for that. Love seeing these and I appreciate it. Arghhh choices haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3936994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Argos Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I can't really compare the Avenger to the Vulture, but I have to admit I love using the Avenger. It's a blast and can really take out roves of enemy. Looking over the Vulture's stats though I would think that it would be even better in certain situations. What I like about the Avenger is that it's a good all rounder, it gets 7 avenger cannon shots and 2 Lascannon shots, and still has the option to take other weapons. To get the Punisher cannon on the Vulture you have to give up all of it's weapons mounts (still keeps the HB) to get the 20 shots.. 20 shots against hoard armies would be great though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3937418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I vote for the Vulture. You get to say "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" twice every turn due to twin linking. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3937605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I love the Vulture, it's filthy-cheap for what it brings, and Hordes/Light Vehicles hate it. Decent for bringing down Flying MCs as well, but suffers against AV12 Fliers and the like. Not sure of the Avenger's stats, I'll dig out my copy of IA3 tomorrow to have a quick look and pop my opinion up. IIRC, the Avenger is a better all-rounded with an AP3 and 2 loadout on its main guns, that can tank hunt if needed. Lacks the pure dakka of the Vulture, but is better quality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My sons orks dislikes the vulture with a passion... The punisher cannons are my favorite piece of FW goodness. The avenger is a beautiful mini- although the rear facin heavy stubber is kinda meh. Have to say I feel they are both situational.... Vulture v hordes and light transports, avenger v MEQ and medium/ heavy vehicles. So basically, Get both;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I don't suppose both are an option? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Thanks for the comments guys. Only one is an option as having sold a car, I have been given permission to use £100. Argh, I am so torn. My normal opponents are Marines of some variety so the avenger is good, though the vulture will get results by weight of fire. The thing is, are either really needed? And is Pask in a punisher just better than the vulture, and is the vendetta better than the Avenger? Basically, I don't want to spend loads on a model that will then spend the majority of its life on a shelf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 a vulture is easily better than pask in a punisher, except in the (still) rare occasion of facing a lot of antiflyers (note that a lot of antitank is still more abundant than a load of antiflyer). a vulture with punisher gatling cannon has 20 twin linked shots, +3 heavy bolter ones at BS4 vs most ground targets. pask with punisher comes without the twin linked but has 6 shots more (if taking HB sponsons). Pask also has to take a buddy, making it an extremely costly unit, with a short range. the vulture however comes in a lot cheaper (155 pts via IA second edition, or 175 as a D99 vultutre (which has BS4 all around so BS5 when shooting at infantry!!!), and offers a lot more mobility (vector dancer). I love the vulture so much it is the only flyer i actually always put in my lists, untill my opponent got so tired of being mauled by it that he started claiming i couldn't win without it anymore (he now feels the same about my wyverns). I absolutly claim it's the best imperial guard fighter as it can take out both infantry, MC, FMC and other flyers reliable. the only thing it struggles with is armour, but we've got plenty of tools to remove those from the field Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The question is "which one do I get first?" right? ;) I agree with the Vulture calls, it has all the pyew pyew you are missing in your life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Not to mention that casting Misfortune on an enemy squad lets you shoot at it with some tasty Rending! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The Vulture's Vector Dancer also lets it reliably get hits against enemy rear armour, letting it operate as an anti-tank weapon against most targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Thanks all. Have sent an email requesting stick information so then O can add that to the conundrum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3938970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 After speaking to them today, I have found out both are in stock. Damn. Torn between the rule of cool on the avenger or rule of good with the vulture. Argh..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3939317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 perhaps consider another route, what if the tournament/store/whatever doesn't allow IA units? the vulture can easely count as a vendetta or valkyrie,given they are somewhat the same size. however the avenger is considerably smaller Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3939332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Another good point again Hendrik. Looks like that may just steal the win. Cheaper option too!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3939335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 don't forget to order the punisher cannons,as these come seperatly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3939339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The Vulture's Vector Dancer also lets it reliably get hits against enemy rear armour, letting it operate as an anti-tank weapon against most targets. Vector Dancer is huge. If there's another opposing flyer on the board the Avenger is very much nullified. The Vulture has a chance of taking out the other flyer with Vector. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3941045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 The Vulture's Vector Dancer also lets it reliably get hits against enemy rear armour, letting it operate as an anti-tank weapon against most targets.Vector Dancer is huge. If there's another opposing flyer on the board the Avenger is very much nullified. The Vulture has a chance of taking out the other flyer with Vector. Thanks for the tip. Just waiting to take the plunge now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302830-dilemma-vulture-with-punisher-cannons-or-avenger/#findComment-3942287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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