shaun03 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Given the fact widely written about and is a primach but all accounts. Is FW saving him for later book? Or they deliberately leaving him out? Such a key element in XX legion history and it would a waste if they left him out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Considering Omegon's backstory, it very well may be deliberate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3936927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'd say leaving him out. The way FW has done their books is as an almost historical narrative, leaving the juicy details & thoughts of the characters to the novel series. Things told straight out in the novels are often noted as rumours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3936947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 You could just take 2 alpharius's.. They are one and the same Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3936982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 I was hoping it wasn't going to be A deliberate move by FW. Them not even dropping a hint in book any of first 4 books make it look that way. It's going to be a shame if forgotten. Yeah taking double aplharius for gaming purposes could work. I am sure I am going to get sucker in to buy two of them anyhow. Perhaps FW will surprise us and give out different head options and thus we make our own, after all there small distinction between them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3937147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
defl0 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yeah, they should leave Alpahius as a non unique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3940098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Model-wise, I'm expecting alternate weapon load-outs and alternate shoulder pads so that the one model builds both. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3940248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 Making him non unique is tough call for gaming purposes. A option might 0-2 for low adjust the point % to make it fair, As two strong primachs in low level games 2-3k is OP. Or a option that like more than double taking the model is giving him a unique rule where the first time his wounds reach zero and he dies, have him reappear with in 12 of where he was killed. But that could be too OP But seams like we're loseing key fluff by having him forgotten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3940800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I rather like the idea that the FW universe is slightly different than the novel version, and that Omegon thus may or may not actually exist. Seems very fitting for the Alpha Legion, too. In all fairness, even if Omegon does exist in the FW version of the HH, as he does in the novels, his existence is a closely-kept secret. The FW fluff is often written from an in-universe perspective, that is not entirely omniscient, and that of some Imperial scholar who lived through and looked back on the Heresy. Perhaps Omegon is around, but unnoticed. Later imperial history seems to have forgotten him completely by 40k. Heck, we didn't even know about him to Dan Abnett retconned him into being in Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3949945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 yeah it gives freedom to wonder what happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3950102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Making him non unique is tough call for gaming purposes. A option might 0-2 for low adjust the point % to make it fair, As two strong primachs in low level games 2-3k is OP. Or a option that like more than double taking the model is giving him a unique rule where the first time his wounds reach zero and he dies, have him reappear with in 12 of where he was killed. But that could be too OP But seams like we're loseing key fluff by having him forgotten I'm not really sure what you'd want from adding two Primarchs, though. Aside from the Statline, he brings you another Scouting unit, Nuncio Vox, another Cognis, and another Cameleoline... That's something that a Vigilator and a Master of Signal bring you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3950148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully ad Bellum Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Don't be silly, there is only one primarch of the Alpha Legion: Alpharius. And even though he's the shortest primarch, and his legionnaires are the tallest space marines generally, and even though they're all substantially identical, it's easy to tell Alpharius apart from his legionaries. 'Cuz his suit of armor is so great in stature it could only be worn by a primarch! Obviously!! Acknowledging this Omegan - who doesn't exist, of course, but even if he did - would diminish an important part of the Alpha Legion mystique, don't you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3952975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I vaguely remember a rumour of an incoming split in the alpha legion. Maybe omegon goes loyalist partway through the heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3953072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Considering that almost all of the fluff parts of the FW books are written as historical accounts from an Imperial (post Battle of Terra perhaps?) point of view, it's safe to assume they won't ever mention Omegon explicitly. However, they clearly didn't just forget him : Beyond this some have made the outlandish claim that there was more than one Primarch of the Alpha Legion, ...That's the most we can expect, unfortunately. As stated, the books are clearly written from an Imperial POV, from the viewpoint of someone who has no dea Omegon exists... Rules-wise just field Omegon using Alpharius' rules; they're twins after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3953578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Exactly. For all intents and purposes, Omegon is Alpharius. And Alpharius is Omegon. Expecting FW to explicitly mention Omegon is missing the point - Omegon is a well-guarded secret, even more so than Alpharius' in-universe identity. And yes, as has been pointed out, the HH books are Imperial in perspective. Of course the fictional author is not going to know about Omegon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3953583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer of Olympia Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Don't be silly, there is only one primarch of the Alpha Legion: Alpharius. And even though he's the shortest primarch, and his legionnaires are the tallest space marines generally, and even though they're all substantially identical, it's easy to tell Alpharius apart from his legionaries. 'Cuz his suit of armor is so great in stature it could only be worn by a primarch! Obviously!! Acknowledging this Omegan - who doesn't exist, of course, but even if he did - would diminish an important part of the Alpha Legion mystique, don't you think? this is kinda true and false at the same time,both alpharius and omegon can't be told apart even by their own legionaries,this is proved in the short story The Serpent Beneath,which I will only lightly spoilered that the legionaries conducting the operation which thought that their primarch was with them,but in the end they're deceived. For their armors,Omegon have 3 armors,which is stated in the Serpent beneath as well also Alpharius have an ornate armor which is only use for ceremonial purpose,as stated in Deliverance Lost when Alpharius met with Horus.As for short,If I remember correctly,the primarchs are quite tall,which require one of the tallest legionaries to impersonate them.Both Alpharius and Omegon are known in their own legion,Omegon which is the leader of Effrit stealth squad and Alpharius as the general figure head of the legion,but both really serve the same purpose,which they both can substitute position at their own whim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3953828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully ad Bellum Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think the joke in HH:3 was the helmeted armor of Alpharius which any of his tall legionaries could wear, thereby convincing any onlooker that the warrior in the suit was Alpharius simply because the suit was just so darned big that it would *have to be* a primarch inside of it. With the Alpha Legion, everything is true: everything is a lie. You are the heretic. Gnarly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3954027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Food for thought: if the 'Agents of the Imperium' were described from the perspective of the Sigilite in a future book, a certain individual with plain and unadorned armour could be squeezed in...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3954737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 We had a topic about Omegon being Janus from the GK a while back and went full on conspiracy theory. Thing is, it kinda made sense :p http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/?hl=omegon its 11 pages long but I feel its worth the read... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3954743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 That was bit interesting, haven know little about GK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3960817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I always saw a hint of Omegon in Exodus, because he has It Will Not Die and some epic shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3961262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I always saw a hint of Omegon in Exodus, because he has It Will Not Die and some epic shooting. Isnt he also part of the Effrit Stealth Squads of Which Omegon is said to be the Leader? *dun dun dunnnn* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3961263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Quick question...shouldn't this be in the general discussion rather than tactica? Not any tactics discussing why he wasn't given a stat line... With that out of the way, I would think that Omegon and Alpharius would likely be apart in different fleets to spread the "Alpharius is here" mentality and keep away from the eggs in one basket possibility. I know they're together for Legion, but that was in pursuit of the Cabal and a special planet that needed specific help. Likely in the event that Alpharius might die, Omegon pops in for political reasons and no ones the wiser. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3961361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Exodus has higher stats than a normal IC from what I remember... and yes, he does have IWND. I always saw him as Omegon. I'm sure the second Primarch of the XX will appear somewhere down the line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3961687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Exodus has +1 BS, +1 W, -1 A, with a super bolter. Never really noticed IWND. He's a singly incapable Primarch, however, in that case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302832-wheres-omegon/#findComment-3963959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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