sn33r Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What are the differences? I know all the stats are the same just 1 extra attack 1 extra leadership and 4+ save but if I take 10 fens add an iron priest on mount that's 10 wounds for 80 points. You tank all on the 2+ of IP then any ap2 you remove a model.it's 60points for 4 cyber wolves. Is the reason cyber wolves are taken just because there wargear and not a fast attack slot?.. I keep hearing about t5 cyber wolves you need 5+ Twc models to make 4 cyber wolves t5 that's a lot of points for a delivery system. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Cyber wolves are also characters and can accept challenges while your Iron Priest beats the crap out of the unit itself. Usually 5-10 Fenrisian Wolves is a decent delivery system. And remember how wound allocation works. The first model takes the wounds until it is dead. So Tanking with the IP is a good idea and then Look out Sir-ing the nasty shots and crossing your fingers!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3936977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Cyberwolves also used to be toughness 5, and still are in the back profile section, so many waiting for FAQ. And yes, right now the only reason I would take cyberwolves over fenrisians is because they are wargear- however, that one reason is often not enough of a justification for me as per the points you made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3936996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Against a bolter, an iron priest on mount lives as long as 6 (2 for wounds x 3/2 for toughness x 2 for armour) grey hunters. 105 points for what grey hunters could do for 84. Meanwhile the fenrisian wolves live 1/3 as long, but cost 4/7 the points - both iron priests and grey hunters do much better unless there's a cover save involved (in which case fenrisian wolves can get very efficient. So it does make sense (somewhat) to have your iron priest tank for the fenrisian wolves. But the unit as a whole will nevertheless remain vulnerable to shooting attacks. Yeah, the IP can shunt off s10 ap2 hits to the fenrisian wolves but your opponent won't need to waste their big guns on the unit anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3937175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWolfLord Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I've had an email from the Black Library customer service team confirming Cyberwolves should be T5 and will be FAQ'd shortly to this. Iron Priests on Thunderwolves are a scary prospect for your opponent but a Thunderwolf Cavalry can do the same for 70 points but lose the 2+ save and option for extra Cyberwolfs. But a Thunderwolf can have a SS for 15 The only reason a lot of people take Iron Priests on Wolves is for the 2 compulsory elites in a Champions of Fenris detachment. Cheaper to save the points and take 2 units of a single servitor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3937197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 That's not the only reason I do it. 2+, access to cyberwolves, and ap1 is a big deal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3937306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I've had an email from the Black Library customer service team confirming Cyberwolves should be T5 and will be FAQ'd shortly to this. Iron Priests on Thunderwolves are a scary prospect for your opponent but a Thunderwolf Cavalry can do the same for 70 points but lose the 2+ save and option for extra Cyberwolfs. But a Thunderwolf can have a SS for 15 The only reason a lot of people take Iron Priests on Wolves is for the 2 compulsory elites in a Champions of Fenris detachment. Cheaper to save the points and take 2 units of a single servitor Cheaper, yes, but then you are massively at risk of being "that guy" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3937415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWolfLord Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Agreed that AP1 is useful especially if you are running a single Iron Priest with ablative wolves. I just find myself thinking its a lot of points that are best spent elsewhere. I only mentioned the 2 servitors as an option, I've personally never used it as I always take Murderfang and usually a lone wolf. In a competitive meta I see it as an option as you will be facing much nastier lists than the Wolves can produce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3937431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 yeah I think iron priests are quite well balanced. They are a great option but there are other ways to do it. Not a must have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3938072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 You forgot the biggest advantage: Cyberwolves are equipment of IP and thus are allowes to enter a unit with him, acting as ablative wounds for things like TWC. FenWolves cost an FA slot (the most contested slot we have) and can not enter any other unit, only ferry around characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3938337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn33r Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Yes I agree but most I agree is TWC is all we have. But it doesn't survive any mass shooting .. I used 2 ip with cybers in a unit of 5 fend so 8 cybers 2 ip 8 fens real cheap delivery but got half way across the board on his turn two (tau) no unit left. Nor my 6 Twc with shields nor my krakenboner Lord,.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302833-fens-vs-cyberwolves/#findComment-3938569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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