Fangbanger Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yo fangers, looking for some advice... Recently started an escalation league and my core 500points is as follows: Harald deathwolf 5 x TWC 5 x fenrisian wolves 2 x servitors Now my first 3 games I noticed an obvious lack of firepower and body's so for the next 250 points I have boosted up with 10 x grey hunters 1 x drop pod Now I am thinking ahead to the next 250 points and looking at maybe introducing some anti infantry bits so the TWC can focus on more elite and specialist work so the options I was thinking where 5 x long fangs (4 with HB) in a rino This gives me mobile heavy bolter fire and can also be camped on objectives if need be Or...a vindicator Offers a large template and strength 10 for other nuts and bobs Or...a whirlwind Nice and cheap, barrage but a little weak and 1 dimensional. Or...nine of the above. Just get over it and get more cc badman to get stuck in! What are your thoughts? Do I need it? Or are there better options? So far I have been against dark eldar and nids. There are other marine players, guard and chaos too as well as eldar (pretty much all bases!) and in my early games, I have missed not having lost of shots to fire however my overall theme is gearing more towards CC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Is Forgeworld alowed? If it is you could do worse than the relic Scorpius whirlwind. With the proper legacy it's quite brutal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Yeah it is allowed, it's pretty casual. I was planning on adding a sicaran at the 1500 point mark Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Vindicators are good, but id say you always want to take two of them. Or at least have something protecting its rear/side armour. 1 lone vindicator is too easy to take out. However, that S10 pie plate is awesome for scaring the enemy. Can shut out whole areas of the board until its safely dead. Whirlwinds ive never really used as im always playing against my mates SM lists so its not high AP enough. If forgeworld is allowed, Sicaran is great for taking down light armour, whirlwind scorpius as mentioned is useful, and the predator executioner i find really good/fun (especially if you put the 'ignores cover' legacy on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I take it best to equip the sicaran with the bolter sponsons over the lascanon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I take it best to equip the sicaran with the bolter sponsons over the lascanon? Depends on several things. First; Who you are facing. A horde army won't care if you have lascannons and an elite army won't care if you have heavy bolters. Find what your army is weakest in and pick the thing that strengthens that weakness the best. Second; What you are aiming at. Sure if you're aiming at a flyer there won't be a great answer here as the Heavy bolters won't be able to pen it as easy, while lascannons only have 1 shot each. Paying extra points for a less of a chance of hitting kinda sucks, while paying less points and getting the feeling that your weapons are useless equally sucks. If you are aiming at an orc blob- more shots (heavy bolter) is a nice addition, while shooting at a squad of termies requires the lascannons. The great thing about the sicaran is that it can excel at shooting either heavily armored troops, medium armor or blob squads. The side weapons however are more inline with rock-paper-scissors. Pick your poison. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I still run long fangs. I know they aren't the clear choice like they used to be, but my two squads (one missiles and LC, one PC and HB) work wonders. Both create a threat on the board depending on the army I'm facing, so one squad or another get focused, but rarely both. So the second squad continues to melt faces. I think that's the biggest weakness of my list, which has only been found by one player. Take out both my long fang squads, and my list struggles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Some great feedback guys and plenty of food for thought so thanks. Still undecided though... The sicaran is definitely going in, no matter what. I love the look of it and the ignores jink business is pretty sweet! But that will be when we go from 1000 to 1500 My original plan was to add another 10 hunters with a pod or rhino to take it up to 1000, it's just wethere any of the above are going to be better than that for 250 points.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3939731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOfGhosts Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 How about some Landspeeders. Cheap, fast, mix and match weapons. Downside, low armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3940007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 Good idea but I hate the model so much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3940077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Good idea but I hate the model so much Best comment made about the landspeeder… ever… Also- overtime i see one on the table i always thing about Keanu Reeves yelling "theres a bomb on the bus!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3940494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Personally I love Whirlwinds. I always tuck them away at the back of the board in a building often totally out of sight of everything. Most days there are enough other threats that it gets ignored. I have never not had my whirlwind get its points back even against marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3940930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Do you usually just run the one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3941139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 My only complaint about Whirlwind is that they take a whole heavy slot for 1. I wish we could buy at least 2 in 1 slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3941353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I normally only take the 1 I dont think the heavy slot issue has ever come into play for me. It is not a slot my lists have a lot competing for. That would be my Elite slot. I get a Land raider crusader as dedicated transport, and the Storm wolf as dedicated transport or a heavy Then on some occasions I may take a vindicator as well. My current list looks a little like this. Vindicator LRC with 10 blood claws Void claws With a wolf priest 2 pods 1 empty one with bare bones Melta dread. Whirlwind x3 twc with Harold x2 Rhinos with 5 Grey hunters Storm Wolf x1 Imperial knight not a lot of models, but man a lot of fun. there is not a unit in the list they can afford to ignore, they are all nasty. Always fun to watch your opponents face when a Vindicator, Knight, TWC and land raider head to their side of the board. But they have to deal with the void claws and the Dread first. This is about 2200-2300 of points so the army I face will change which units get dropped or subed out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3941739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I like ulrik with 4 plasma long fangs and one with missile launcher and flakk missiles. Preferred enamy fnp and fearless, what's not to like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3941871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 That's quite expensive though points wise... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I like ulrik with 4 plasma long fangs and one with missile launcher and flakk missiles. Preferred enamy fnp and fearless, what's not to like. plasma cannons get hot- i didnt think preferred enemy affects this- since the roll is separate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I either take 2 units of long fangs to cover one vindicator, or 2 vindicators covering a unit of long fangs. 5 long fangs (2HB, 2PC, 1 ancient) 1 vindicator 5 long fangs (2HB, 2PC, 1 ancient) 1 vindicator 5 long fangs (4LC, 1 ancient) 1vindicator deployed that way. The lone unit is flanked by the two, that way you have a good base of fire from your heavy support. The two long fang variant is designed to spread out the firepower into two weapon teams, that way your damage potential is spread out, and he can't wipe out your base of fire in one go. Either way it keeps you killing his stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ok so crunching numbers and I can get the following in: 5 x long fang (1 ancient, w x HB and 2 x pc Vindi Or 2 x vindi Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'd probably go with the 2 vindicators, since that'll get you more coverage on whatever you're shooting, given that each vindicator is shooting at a separate target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 The other thought I had to get some guns was... 2 x dreads with plasma and autocannon Are dreads a viable option as a wepons platform? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 My experience with dreads is shooty platforms are better. Dreads don't have the stats to do CC well against multiple models, unless it's murderfang. I don't usually run a ton of HS, I do a lot of formations and elites, and troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 And plasma/auto loadouts a good choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3942934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I'd go dual AutoCannon myself. Don't want to mix ranges. Have thought about swapping one for a missile laucher to get a s8 shot but not sure about that either. Depends on what you want to shoot at. A rifle Dread and Vindicator would be 235 points. Add 5 to swap an AuCan out for for Plasma. Subtract 5 to swap AuCan out for Missiles. Leaves a few points for extras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302960-vindi-vs-whirlwind-vs-long-fangs/#findComment-3943226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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