pompeyladbfp Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I still think malcador is the emperor.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4500875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I still think malcador is the emperor.. So death to the false emperor ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 When did Corax describe The Emperor as super heavy? I only remember him thinking he looked like an ordinary tanned guy with brown hair. Â Probably because he was from Turkey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 When he meets the Emperor after coming back to Terra in the much maligned Deliverance Lost. edit:Â Actually I can't seem to find the quote I am thinking of. Ill do a search-a-roo. Â The Emperor said in the Outcast dead that he couldn't be both Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time. It is my personal theory, but I believed the Emperor had foreseen the Heresy in some shape or form. He was working against time. That is why he wanted to test the loyalty of Horus with the super Ork episode. With his seemingly proven he was assured that the Heresy we know wouldn't come to pass. He wanted the rebellion of the marines as a justification to remove them like the Thunder Warriors. Or he did know it would come pass and it was "just as planned" but he didn't plan on sorta loving Horus? Â Here is where I am of two minds. One: The Emperor is playing a very long game. He has been alive for like 30k years so either he is just a super-powerful Tyrant of Terra (cool title) and was unsuccessful for a very long time in his goal of world domination or he was waiting and planning this moment and the moments after for a long, long time. Im leaning to the later based on the whole Dragon of Mars plot line. But I wouldn't be surprised if the former is true. They might not be mutually exclusive because of the Molech plot line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 One: The Emperor is playing a very long game. He has been alive for like 30k years ... Â tiny point, but i kind of like the idea that 30k/40k refers to the emp's age as well as the setting. meta? Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Well the existing lore states that he alone knew the path that Humanity must take to survive so I'm not sure he was a tyrant as such. Just someone with more information than everyone else which probably made him look that way. Â There is the possibility that this book may change that but who can say. I'm hoping for more information about The Emperor and his Grand Plans even if that doesn't include point of view scenes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviox Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 When he meets the Emperor after coming back to Terra in the much maligned Deliverance Lost. edit:Â Actually I can't seem to find the quote I am thinking of. Ill do a search-a-roo. Â The Emperor said in the Outcast dead that he couldn't be both Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time. It is my personal theory, but I believed the Emperor had foreseen the Heresy in some shape or form. He was working against time. That is why he wanted to test the loyalty of Horus with the super Ork episode. With his seemingly proven he was assured that the Heresy we know wouldn't come to pass. He wanted the rebellion of the marines as a justification to remove them like the Thunder Warriors. Or he did know it would come pass and it was "just as planned" but he didn't plan on sorta loving Horus? Â Here is where I am of two minds. One: The Emperor is playing a very long game. He has been alive for like 30k years so either he is just a super-powerful Tyrant of Terra (cool title) and was unsuccessful for a very long time in his goal of world domination or he was waiting and planning this moment and the moments after for a long, long time. Im leaning to the later based on the whole Dragon of Mars plot line. But I wouldn't be surprised if the former is true. They might not be mutually exclusive because of the Molech plot line. Â Getting a bit off-topic here, but I have always had the opinion that the heresy was designed to happen. The Emp knew that Chaos would rise against him and orchestrated "the best possible future" where he would be worshiped as a God, with each martyred/sacrificed soul feeding his power/presence in the warp. When grown powerful enough, he would just reincarnate (like Vulkan - remember that the primarchs gained their abilities as aspects of the Emperor) and destroy the chaos gods. Â Only complication with my theory is the webway project. Maybe he planned to finish it before Horus reached Terra. It would seem that Magnus destroying the wards of the webway was an unseen variable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 The Webway might have been a long-shot. A... stretch goal, if you will. Â He wants the Webway, but he'll settle for humanity's survival? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Him sending Russ to arrest Magnus becomes sketchy once you remove the factor of him not believing his son's message. Same for the Wolves and other Legions not being readied, even without their knowledge, to combat Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Him sending Russ to arrest Magnus becomes sketchy once you remove the factor of him not believing his son's message. Same for the Wolves and other Legions not being readied, even without their knowledge, to combat Horus Well, there is a couple of things: 1- managing Russ. (I can strongly suspect Russ of falling into Horus' territory of resenting the Emperor for abandoning the Crusade, so having Russian hankering for audience with the Emperor could itself interrupt the whole project. Sending Russ off on a "special priject" might be a two birds/one stone situation.) 2- Magnus could genuinely be put to good use if brought back to Terra, Russ is probably the most capable of doing that 'with no faffing about'. Â Sketchy, sure, but it's one of the less questionable things done. Â (Bringing the Thousand Sons to Terra along with Dorn and the Fists is a plausible alternative, but also has its risks. Just sending them away might be the least risky of a lot of risky possibilities...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I hate the whole, ‘the Emperor planned the Heresy theory ’. It's hardly tragic if that’s what he wanted to happen…  Just makes him a total arsehole as well and the setting has enough of them already.  Really looking forward to this novel, ADB, I’m sure you have nailed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Magnus was supposed to take emps place in the Golden throne right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviox Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Him sending Russ to arrest Magnus becomes sketchy once you remove the factor of him not believing his son's message. Same for the Wolves and other Legions not being readied, even without their knowledge, to combat Horus  Or he just chose to ignore the message, which to me seems like the case. Everything was playing according to his master plan after all, so why react to something you already knew? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Clearly, the Emperor never saw the Heresy come. Just like he never saw the Primarchs being spirited away from his super secret lab. Â "The Emperor's most long-sighted plan to counter the insiduous influences of the Chaos Powers was the creation of the Primarchs: genetically engeneered super-humans with god-like powers. The Emperor's intention was to create a whole race of super-humans from the genetic blueprint of the Primarchs. By making them loyal and strong he hoped that they would prove immune to the malign psychic influences of Chaos."Realm of Chaos : The Lost and the Damned - page 177. Â "Unfortunately, things did not go quite according to the plan. Despite the Emperor's best attempts to shield the project from the penetrating eyes of the Chaos Powers they still managed to learn of it. The Primarchs were still in their foetal stage, growing in special amniotic tanks, when the Chaos Powers combined their energies to spirit them away in an unexpectedly bold move."Realm of Chaos : The Lost and the Damned - page 177. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 http://www.blacklibrary.com/black-library-live-2016.html   Cover looks like a cracker.  Eldary stuff in the background, blue flickery light. Looks like the webway to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Magnus was supposed to take emps place in the Golden throne right? Â That's what the daemon tells Magnus, which is oddly believable since they never seem to actually lie in the series. Â They omit a lot of important details, but everything they do say is technically true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Looking at the cover, the burning sword must be a pain in the arse to lug everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Must. Infiltrate. Plane andn then train. to. Nottingham. from. 'Murica. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Wait, 15 GBP ticket price? Wasn't it closer to a hundred bucks last time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I was not expecting MoM this soon........... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 That cover looks very nice! Making the master of mankind seem awesome. Â Wasn't there some old lore when Emps said that his injuries weren't as severe as he was expecting? Â That to me says he planned to survive and get back on with things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Wait, 15 GBP ticket price? Wasn't it closer to a hundred bucks last time? Â this is one day at warhammer world, not the weekender at the hotel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 The cover art is awesome def top 3 along with KNF and PoD. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Glad I got my ticket :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/4/#findComment-4501992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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