Darkmagi Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Well that's just a pain then. I couldn't even play my my favorite army under that. :( GO GO Officio Assassinorum army! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 It's to stop abuse. We already suffer from having three Tau players, all of whom take the strongest version of the army. Thankfully one has switched to BA for the League, another is doing Tyranids, but its still frustrating to watch your army get vaped. Formations we limit to larger games anyway, where they belong. To forestall the inevitable comments, yes I know you can still build face-crushing lists with these restrictions. However, it prevents some of the more 'the hell does that do' moments. New Necrons threw all that out the window though, so I'm gonna have to wait and see. I'm allowing Decurion detachment for now, mainly because the guy running them probably won't have the more broken units to make the formations that are problematic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 what about the Pandorax Assassin formation ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 That would replace the NDK Bretheren Formation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 no its like all formations u can take as many as u like 4 assassins one of each type , each gains a boost to their abilities they all gain FNP 4+ ans 3 W Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 2 detachments max (one of which can be Ally), 0-1 formation (has to be same faction as primary detachment), 0-1 Lord of War (taken as part of your primary detachment). He's limited by the restrictions of his local group, not by the rulebook. and four Dreadknights in the 'Dreadknight Brethren' formation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmagi Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 what about the Pandorax Assassin formation ? Where is this found? I want to see it for my assassin army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 It's in Warzone Pandorax. It's not a regular 40k Formation though, it's an Apocalypse Datasheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3945468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 The Assassin formation is pretty awful :( I'm really sad it's the only 'Grey Knight' formation IN A BOOK FEATURING HALF THE CHAPTER. We're allowing Formations period, as Tau get the utterly absurd Riptide+2x Broadside formation in normal 40k, and Necrons are now Formations: The Codex. Allowing Apoc formations generally won't be an issue IMO, given the models our group normally has. YMMV of course, but that's how we're doing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 i will agree that it was dissapointing that there was not any actual grey knights bits but i quite like the assassin formation what aboutr the purifyer formation from the main Apoc rule book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 what aboutr the purifyer formation from the main Apoc rule book? It does a single Hellstorm template with AP3. Meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 2 detachments max (one of which can be Ally), 0-1 formation (has to be same faction as primary detachment), 0-1 Lord of War (taken as part of your primary detachment). This is similar to what we roll with. It seems to be coming the norm which I feel is a good thing, as opposed to unbound silliness that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 So much so, that GW have broken it inside the new Necron dex. GW don't want these type of restricitons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Exactly, and as it should be IMO. Let the TOs sort out restrictions. The biggest issue remaining is the disparity between codexes. If GW could get the designers all on the same page this approach would be golden. Well that and lack of FAQ support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 How can TOs sort out restrictions, when GW sticks a finger up to them with placing Apoc/Unbound *inside* a Codex? Heck, might just as well go back to the ol' days of "you can only bring 2 Riptides", and having the Tournament results detemrined by who the TO allows to bring the best units to, rather than the game itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 How can TOs sort out restrictions, when GW sticks a finger up to them with placing Apoc/Unbound *inside* a Codex? Its not the be all it looks at first glance although it is good. Its still probably a step below centsar/pentyrants etc. Time will tell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3946803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Competitiveness aside, it's GW's stance that's the issue. Folk don't like to play Unbound, so they make local rules to ignore that section of the game. GW want/need Unbound to work (they don't like being wrong, and sales) so to push it start including it within Codexes now. It's much harder to start 'comping' 'dexes than it is to tell folk globally this section of the BRB isn't in use. Because now, you're picking out specifics, and impacting the balance/design of the 'dex itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 So much so, that GW have broken it inside the new Necron dex. GW don't want these type of restricitons. GW can get bent. If they refuse to even internally balance armies properly, nevermind caring about the larger metagame, then we have to do the job for them. I know they just blatantly push the new model kits with the new rules (that trick is as old as time), and I know the new Necron dex might as well be a White Dwarf advertisement for the new box sets they'll put out ('hey guy buy the entire formation in one click'). Unbound is shunned by the playerbase for the same reason that Apoc is rarely played. They're both formats that only work with heavy narrative restrictions and themed lists. Once you start taking whatever broken combo or spam you like, it degenerates into 'who brought more super-heavies?'. I'm really concerned Decurion is the future. Like, in 8th, they might just through out the whole Force Org chart entirely. They've been doing their best to make it irrelevant anyway with Formations and special snowflake detachments for every army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Anyone else notice that the official FAQ for grey knights is still for the 5th edition codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yeah, that's pretty sloppy. Eh, wasn't expecting a new FAQ for us anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Why give us a new FAQ when they didn't give us a new Codex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicman Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 ...at least they gave us a useful formation. Thats better as with not-a-codex: Militarum Tempestus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Warhound Scout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3947695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Warhound Scout. Haha, as much as I wish I could take a Titan, I'm not gonna have the money or first-born children to sacrifice for it. I've done some playtesting and Draigo+Grav-Cents is solid. Scouts with a teleport homer do the job I want, I'm usually able to hide them in a good drop location, and unless the enemy Seize they will land all my Terminators perfectly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3948559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Anyone else notice that the official FAQ for grey knights is still for the 5th edition codex? GW subtle acceptance our new codex is crap? And saying we can still use the old one? ;) Silver linings! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303122-anvil-to-our-hammer/page/2/#findComment-3948715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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