bebe Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I have books 1-4 so I can be directed to the rules. I do need help. I'm quite familiar with mechanicus and have all the models I need. I want to field 1250 of mechanicus primary ... legio cybernetica with 4 casyallax, 6 thallax, 10 tech-thralls and a thanatar. Magos dominus will be my warlord. This will be my primary. I want to add 600 points of standard legion or iron warriors ( I think they are most appropriate but I'm open to any and all legions). So guys- any suggestions? And just direct me to the appropriate book and sections ( I'll make sure I have all the rules right). I need to wrap my head around rites of war etc., and using the legion as an allied force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Centurion+Minimum Tactical Squad is 200pts. Centurion Consuls are limited to Chaplains, Legion Champions, Forge Lords, Vigilators, and Siege Breakers; Word Bearers have access to the diabolist. The others have special rules preventing them from fulfilling minimum requisite unit slots. The Vigilator I find is the best in none-Raven Guard armies. What it looks like is you needing some decent objective holders. For your purposes, I'd suggest either Imperial Fists with a full tac squad and an apothecary with a Vigilator sat on an objective. You get BS5 Fury of the Legion (with some Sniper Special ammunition as well for fun), 22 Models sat on an objective with FNP 5+ and +1 to Cover saves, that can infiltrate and scout move onto a midfield objective. This comes to 400pts with Nuncio (to make the Thanatar accurate) and the Vexilla so it won't move. Pick up an Aegis defence line, and you can make them stubborn (stubborn, reroll Ld9). This leaves you with 150pts to spend; in other words, either a pair of normal Predators (AV13 wall and 8 S7 shots), or a Sicaran. If you can find 25pts from elsewhere in your list, can include Lascannons on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Are they friends? Can I use the Imperial Fist nuncio for my Thanatar? It actually sounds okay. I'm not sure I need an aegis though. If I'm going to scout or infiltarte - how do I get those USRs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Vigilator: bolter; refractor field; power weapon 120 2 Rapier Weapons Battery: 2× quad mortar (thudd gun) 120 10 Tactical Squad: nuncio vox; legion vexilla; Sergeant (power fist; artificer armour) 195 Whirlwind Scorpius 115 Aegis Defence Lines 50 600 points The tactical squad hang out behind the ADL with the vigilator and benefit from a 3+ cover save and stubborn, they use the nuncio cox to act as spotters for the thuds guns and the scorpius. Also remember the vigilator can only infiltrate if he has recon armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 It looks okay ... but I have a few questions ... @ hesh kadesh so a Vigilator with the recon armour and a nuncio vox in the squad - right? Again - are they okay using the nuncio for the thanatar if you play as imp fists? @ jeremy well your list has a few more units but a smaller tac squad. and I'm assuming this is vanilla legion? I like both lists --- what do you see as the pros and cons of each? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 As soon as someone mentions "stubborn in cover" assume its Imperial Fists; its one of our rules. The one jeremy posted has the advantage of being slightly more versatile. The thudd guns can dish out shatter shells for S8 Sunder or frag for S6 3" shell shock. And the whirlwind can pitch in too. Hesh's list has more staying power between 1-3 artificer armor bodies, ~19 3+ saves, +1 cover, stubborn if in cover and FnP and an 80 bolter shot fury of the legion is nothing to scoff at unless your av 12+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 My list is fists, it lacks bodies but adds firepower. Going toe to toe I'd think my list would win the day due to the marine killing power of the scorpius and thudd guns. While the opposing list adds more objective holding strength with more bodies and FNP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm liking Hesh's list becuase I already have thanatars, darkfire cannons, multi-meltas, etc., in my mechanicus. Imperial Fists ... Vigilator w/ scout /infiltrate/move through cover (95+ more upgrades if wanted) Apothacary w/augury (50+ upgrades if wanted) 20 Tac squad legion vexillia nuncio vox ( 270) 2x Predators (one squad) or fire raptor (220) I have up to 650 if need be ... so if I scout infiltrate I can use the nuncio for my paragoned thanatar (I'm now assuming this is possibler with IF allies) which would be nigh unkillable. Now I have 600 points but I could drop up to another 150 pts if needed. and nthat means instead of preds I could even take a fire raptor? Does that work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Only Vigilators and Recon Marines can take Recon Armor for free. Everybody else its a Sarge upgrade to Artificer armor if they don't already have it (squad wide or otherwise). You're only taking recon armor to confer Infiltrate/Scout to the tac blob. I'd reconsider Multi-Meltas if your facing Primarily 30k Lists because of Armored Ceramite. Otherwise, they're fine. What would you drop from your mechanicum list to free up 150? If its not Castellax, then yeah a Fire Raptor is very much worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Okay - so I will proxy up with some of my SM but you guys helped a lot ... here is the 1850 list I will use ... Age of Darkness: Legio Cybernetica HQ: Magos Dominus (1) - 130-Machinator Array, Abeyant, Cyber-familiar (warlord) TR: Legio Cybernetica Castellax Class Battle-Automata (1) - 115 -Darkfire Cannon, 2x FlamersTR: Legio Cybernetica Castellax Class Battle-Automata (4) - 380 -Mauler Pattern Bolt Cannon, 2x Flamers (3)-Mauler Pattern Bolt Cannon, 2x Battle-automata Power Blades (1)TR: Mechanicum Thallax Cohort (3) - 150 -2x Lightning guns, 1x Multi-meltaTR: Mechanicum Thallax Cohort (3) - 150 -1x Lightning guns, 1x Multi-meltaHS: Thanatar Class Siege-Automata (1) - 290 -TL Mauler Bolt Cannon, Hellex Plasma Mortar, Paragon of Metal ---------- 1215 ------------Legio Astartes: Imperial Fist Allied DetachmentHQ: Legion Centurion Vigilator (1) - 95Infiltrate, Move Through CoverElite: Apothacarian Detachment (1) - 60Volkite ChargerTroop: Legion Tactical Squad (20) - 270Legion Vexillia, Sergeant Artificier ArmourHeavy Support: Fire Raptor Gunship (1) - 210TL Avenger Bolt Cannon, Reaper Autocannon Battery, 4x Tempest Missiles ---------- 635 ----------- I think it is a decent mixture of AT and AI. Honestly, I when I play 30k lists I'm aware that they have their weaknesses and strengths and am really looking for a fun game in the end. Of course you want to win but having a well painted list you like playing is all I need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 The volkite charger is decidedly less useful than an Augury Scanner. Denying an 18" bubble for infiltrators while you yourself still can is great especially if you deploy ahead of a force that relies on it. Also giving the unit interceptor when something deepstrikes within is great - more so when they're in fury of the legion range. Other than that, looks good. Maybe try to squeeze 10pts from somewhere for a Nuncio-Vox so that the Fire Raptor can no-scatter deepstrike within 6" and, afaik, permit the Thanatar to draw LoS from them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Just checked, IF and Mechanicum aren't sworn brothers so no Nuncio vox applying to Thanatar. @Slipstreams; sadly, Fury of the Legion is shooting phase only, so cannot be used with regards to Interceptor, as far as I can tell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Just checked, IF and Mechanicum aren't sworn brothers so no Nuncio vox applying to Thanatar. @Slipstreams; sadly, Fury of the Legion is shooting phase only, so cannot be used with regards to Interceptor, as far as I can tell. GAH DAMNIT Oh well, in that case change nothing. Edit: Except the part about the Augury Scanner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3942896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Well I can solve my problems by going Raven Guard instead of Imp Fists ... I get fleet/infiltrate ( and keep my power armour on my vigilator) and scout AND now the nuncio would actually work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303127-need-600-pts-of-legion-for-my-mechanicus/#findComment-3943770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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