Hillslam Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 On page 82 of the new codex (hardbound Sanguinary edition) it states: "The entire squad may remove their jump packs, changing their unit type to Infantry. The Space Marine Sargeant or Veteran Sargeant changes his unit type to Infantry (Character) instead. They may then take a Drop Pod (pg 80) or Rhino (pg 78) for free as a Dedicated Transport." Do these then fulfill my troop choice requirement? Say for example for a formation like the Baal Strike Force detachment? Also - are the Rhinos then objective scoring units, since they are Dedicated Transport to an infantry unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElCid03 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Sadly no. Becoming Infantry is not the same as becoming a Troop choice. edit: also, everything scores. You only get Objective Secured for your Troops when your detachment says so, which the BSF does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillslam Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Army Builder with the Feb 4th update doesn't seem to think so either - it keeps looking at the Assault Squad as Fast Attack unit type. Ah well. That would have been sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElCid03 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Yeah, the Assault Squad getting locked in to Fast Attack and the utter atrocity that is Tycho are the biggest complaints of the new book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Assault squads are not tactical squads, ever, not even if you take off their jump packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Also - are the Rhinos then objective scoring units, since they are Dedicated Transport to an infantry unit? Also note that: 1) All units are scoring units unless specified otherwise 2) If you are using the Baal Strike Force, your troops choices do not gain objective secured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Also - are the Rhinos then objective scoring units, since they are Dedicated Transport to an infantry unit? Also note that: 1) All units are scoring units unless specified otherwise 2) If you are using the Baal Strike Force, your troops choices do not gain objective secured. I am bit confused with this can you please explain why u cant use the Baal Strike Force with obj sec rule ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Also - are the Rhinos then objective scoring units, since they are Dedicated Transport to an infantry unit? Also note that: 1) All units are scoring units unless specified otherwise 2) If you are using the Baal Strike Force, your troops choices do not gain objective secured. I am bit confused with this can you please explain why u cant use the Baal Strike Force with obj sec rule ? Where do you get ObSec? Objective Secured is the rule you get with Combines Arms Detachments. BSF Does not give ObSec, it has better bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 You either take the Combined Arms Detachment from the core rule book and get ObSec, or you take the Baal Strike Force from the BA codex and you get +1 init on the charge. It's one or the other, you cant take both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 You either take the Combined Arms Detachment from the core rule book and get ObSec, or you take the Baal Strike Force from the BA codex and you get +1 init on the charge. It's one or the other, you cant take both. This is why you field multiple detachments, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yep, you could absolutly take a Baal Strike Force as your main army and take a seperate detachment from the CAD. However, the int boost would only be for the BSF units and only the CAD units would get ObSec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I still forget sometimes that you can take multiple detatchments of the same thing in 7E. I think I was scarred by the arguments about "allying with yourself" last edition when the first CSM supplement appeared. You could theoretically take a BSF detatchment and a combined arms detatchment of Blood Angels as well, I guess. A couple of ObSec troop units to drop onto objectives and an HQ who doesn't need the initiative boost so much? If you're doing that, though, you might as well take something that's better suited for dedicated objective holding duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 If I really felt I HAD to take some obsec allies, I would probebly take my normal Blood Angels BSF core (Priest, c/c scouts, drop meltacide RAS and vindicators) and then ally up with a Blood Angels CAD consisting of a HQ that doesnt need the init boost (say a Libby with a Power Axe) and 4 squads of sniper scouts. Thats a cheap allied detachemnt thats still battleforged and has 4 squads of scouting, outflanking, stealthy, obsec troops and a Psycher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Mercy Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Anyone notice that rhinos and razorbacks specifically exclude bulky and very bulky units from being in transport?Does this mean Bulky Units can go in Land Raiders and Drop Pods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahlnor Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Anyone notice that rhinos and razorbacks specifically exclude bulky and very bulky units from being in transport? Does this mean Bulky Units can go in Land Raiders and Drop Pods? Yes: see Terminators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Anyone notice that rhinos and razorbacks specifically exclude bulky and very bulky units from being in transport? Does this mean Bulky Units can go in Land Raiders and Drop Pods? Jump packs can't ride in Land Raiders though, only infantry can ride in a vehicle unless the vehicle says otherwise. (See Storm Raven) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Jump infantry are still infantry. They're just Jump <insert unit type> Otherwise they wouldn't be able to assault and shoot etc as infantry do. Unlike most other unit type categories, ‘Jump’ is not a classification in and of itself... Jump units therefore share two sets of rules, the Jump unit rules, and those of their base type. Jump Infantry would, for example, follow the rules for Jump units and Infantry. Interestingly though, I can't see where Storm Ravens allow Jump Infantry to embark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 It's in the Stormraven entry in our Codex. For the record, the only things that allow jump infantry are the Stormraven, Stormeagle and Thunderhawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Mercy Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Still odd they flesh it out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Jump rule brb No transports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 They still count as having use their jump packs during the movement phase, when disembarking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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