Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 So now that Guiliman is confirmed to be the next Primarch what rules do you guys see him with? I kinda see him being a combination of Alpharius and Fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Nah I think he will be like Dorn giving army wide buffs, maybe be on par with Vulcan like stat line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 If gulliman buffs like dorn and hits like vulkan I'm gonna so mad.... He'd be better than horus at that point. Ol' bob needs to be a mid tier fighter with buffs to reserves and "logistics" type rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 . He'd be better than horus at that point. I'm sorry, but are you saying Guilliman is a better melee fighter than Horus? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I think it would be cool if for the UM rite of war, you had to take full 20 man tactical squads (for the troops requirements) but they'd get a points reduction. It would be fluffy in my mind that they have such high amounts of manpower and good logistics that that would be a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I think it would be cool if for the UM rite of war, you had to take full 20 man tactical squads (for the troops requirements) but they'd get a points reduction. It would be fluffy in my mind that they have such high amounts of manpower and good logistics that that would be a possibility. Maybe have full 20 man squads able to purchase a heavy and special weapon, to show the evolution of the tactical squads? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 No es 40k at all my squads only use the same weapons! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I think it would be cool if for the UM rite of war, you had to take full 20 man tactical squads (for the troops requirements) but they'd get a points reduction. It would be fluffy in my mind that they have such high amounts of manpower and good logistics that that would be a possibility. Maybe have full 20 man squads able to purchase a heavy and special weapon, to show the evolution of the tactical squads? WLK Tac Vet squads can already do that, just at 10 men. No point in giving it to standard tacs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Nah I think he will be like Dorn giving army wide buffs, maybe be on par with Vulcan like stat line I think you nailed it, Kurama. Would be surprised if this wasn't the case! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Nah I think he will be like Dorn giving army wide buffs, maybe be on par with Vulcan like stat line I think you nailed it, Kurama. Would be surprised if this wasn't the case!It makes sense that he's not psychic mighty or endurance heavy or a battle king, there's 6 tiers currently; Tough as nails- Horus Ferrus Psychic- Lorgar Sneaky- Mortarion Kurze Corax Alpharius Duelists- Angron Fulgrim Endurance- Perturabo Vulcan Mid tier- Dorn This makes me think Guilliman would be mid tier with endurance Sanguinius would come in as tough as nails Magnus fits into psychic Russ would be a mid tier duelist blend Jaghati would slip into the duelist category And finally I'd put Johnson as a duelist endurance mid tier mixer Sort of keeps it all balanced Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ahhhhhhh I'm getting way too excited for things far off reading that list and where unreleased primarchs may lie. Going to be a fun, long wait for some of these treats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I think it would be cool if for the UM rite of war, you had to take full 20 man tactical squads (for the troops requirements) but they'd get a points reduction. It would be fluffy in my mind that they have such high amounts of manpower and good logistics that that would be a possibility. Maybe have full 20 man squads able to purchase a heavy and special weapon, to show the evolution of the tactical squads? WLK Tac Vet squads can already do that, just at 10 men. No point in giving it to standard tacs. There is every point in giving it to standard tactical squads as Guilliman penned that little thing called the Codex Astartes. I would think (especially with the short story of the UM training to combat other legions) the CA would show strongest in his own legion, and give Tactical Squads a boost. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Except, he hasn't finalized it yet nor is it in widespread use, AFAIK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Except, he hasn't finalized it yet nor is it in widespread use, AFAIK. I believe that to be accurate, but like any ideas, they need to be tested out before applying it. the small addition I spitballed shows both where they are coming from and the general direction they are going. It makes them slightly different, slightly more actual tactical than the current squad. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Except, he hasn't finalized it yet nor is it in widespread use, AFAIK. I believe that to be accurate, but like any ideas, they need to be tested out before applying it. the small addition I spitballed shows both where they are coming from and the general direction they are going. It makes them slightly different, slightly more actual tactical than the current squad. WLK In that case I agree; but with the caveat that they can have 2 Heavy wepons and 2 special weapons maximum or 4 Special Weapns. Uncertain about suspensor webs for heavy weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Dornesque Statline, MC'd Paragon Blade and MC'd PFist, 2+/4++. Buffs Armywide ATSKNF. Combat Tactics for 20 man squads into 10 man demisquads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Except, he hasn't finalized it yet nor is it in widespread use, AFAIK. I believe that to be accurate, but like any ideas, they need to be tested out before applying it. the small addition I spitballed shows both where they are coming from and the general direction they are going. It makes them slightly different, slightly more actual tactical than the current squad. WLK In that case I agree; but with the caveat that they can have 2 Heavy wepons and 2 special weapons maximum or 4 Special Weapns. Uncertain about suspensor webs for heavy weapons. Sounds about right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 A minor point I'd like to add is that I doubt his weapons will be master-crafted. So few of the primarch weapons are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I doubt he'll be as tough as Vulkan. He'll probably be more like Dorn, perhaps slightly better in combat. Guilliman is a tactician who can also hold his own decently in combat (except against other Primarchs according to the books ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 . He'd be better than horus at that point. I'm sorry, but are you saying Guilliman is a better melee fighter than Horus? WLK No what I'm saying is if he buffed the army like dorn and hit like and had the saying power of Vulkan then he would be the best primarch on the board. Not necessarily able to beat Horus in a one on one fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 There's no way he's going to be as badass as Vulkan in personal combat. Army-wide buffs are pretty much a guarantee though as it's what he is known for. He is the Julius Caesar of the 31st Millennium, a masterful tactician and leader (also come on, look at that haircut). I know we all love to doubt GW rule-writing, but thus far FW has been pretty on point with everyone except the Imperial Fists (not a single drawback? really). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I doubt he'll be as tough as Vulkan. He'll probably be more like Dorn, perhaps slightly better in combat. Guilliman is a tactician who can also hold his own decently in combat (except against other Primarchs according to the books ). He held off a rampaging Angron and Lorgar who was the most powerful he had been in a while. I don't think Guilliman is that bad at fighting. If he has a power fist and power sword of some sort I figure he'll have the ability to split his attacks between what he prefers to use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 There's no way he's going to be as badass as Vulkan in personal combat. Army-wide buffs are pretty much a guarantee though as it's what he is known for. He is the Julius Caesar of the 31st Millennium, a masterful tactician and leader (also come on, look at that haircut). I know we all love to doubt GW rule-writing, but thus far FW has been pretty on point with everyone except the Imperial Fists (not a single drawback? really). If we're talking strictly LA:IF Rules + Wargear, sure, I have to admit there are pretty much no downsides. Ex; our Challenge rule only forces us to declare challenges. It says nothing about being forced to accept one like the EC. If we include the RoW in, having to take Breachers (and by Extension Phalanx Warders who are just better breachers but costlier) as compulsory troops is decently limiting, I find. Theres also our lack of non-terminator-teleportation mobility. Most other legions have an easier time coming across rules like Infiltrate, Scout and Outflank. On Topic: I feel that he will be a 400+ point Armywide buffer. Like, say, Ferrus with slightly less CC power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I doubt he'll be as tough as Vulkan. He'll probably be more like Dorn, perhaps slightly better in combat. Guilliman is a tactician who can also hold his own decently in combat (except against other Primarchs according to the books ). He held off a rampaging Angron and Lorgar who was the most powerful he had been in a while. I don't think Guilliman is that bad at fighting. If he has a power fist and power sword of some sort I figure he'll have the ability to split his attacks between what he prefers to use. "Held off" isn't the word I'd use for his fight with Angron lol. Unless you by "Held off" you mean "Blocked every punch with his face." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I doubt he'll be as tough as Vulkan. He'll probably be more like Dorn, perhaps slightly better in combat. Guilliman is a tactician who can also hold his own decently in combat (except against other Primarchs according to the books :P ). He held off a rampaging Angron and Lorgar who was the most powerful he had been in a while. I don't think Guilliman is that bad at fighting. If he has a power fist and power sword of some sort I figure he'll have the ability to split his attacks between what he prefers to use. "Held off" isn't the word I'd use for his fight with Angron lol. Unless you by "Held off" you mean "Blocked every punch with his face." He didn't die, I'd say that's an achievement ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/#findComment-3947717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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