DuskRaider Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Most competitive on what merit, other than you're a fanboy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Going back to topic. Guilliman should probably be the most competitive Primarch of the ones released so far, after Horus. Lore wise he should be equipped with the latest and greatest things, as well as relics from his numerous conquered worlds. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g452/allisinthepass/notsure.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Both his tactical genius and the fact he is written as an impressive and disciplined combatant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 No Primarch should be more competitive rules wise though... No model should be full stop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Both his tactical genius and the fact he is written as an impressive and disciplined combatant. The second part applies to all the Prmiarchs - I'd say he's more likely to have 'average' Primarch stats in terms of close combat ability & the main advantages he'll have will reflect his strategic abilities. Plus I wouldn't expect much in terms of the 'latest & greatest things' - if the Primarch who designed Catphractii armour, the Sicaran, & a -load of other Astartes tech, who built weapons for the other Primarchs & locked away tech even he considered too advanced / dangerous didn't get any crazy-advanced equipment, I doubt Guiliman will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Guilliman helped design the Sicaran :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Before all the Heresy stuff came about I always pictured Roboute as somewhat like Dorn but with a bit more flamboyance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I honestly expect gulliman and the ultras to be on par with dorn and the fists rules wise gulliman will probably be a mid tier primarch who gives a lot of buffs to his army Like better reserves, army wide leadership, probably two warlord traits from strategic, unlocks termies and a special ultra unit as troops. It seems to fit his style. Good fighter, great general. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Guilliman's stats shouldn't be too crazy, somewhere in the Lorgar-Dorn range. Don't get me wrong, he's an awesome guy, but his strength is his mind not his sword arm. Here are my expectations. Weapons: He'll have some sort of mildly neat sword like a Paragon Blade and a power fist, plus Weapon Mastery to use both. Armor: A simple 2+/4++, if there's an extra feature it will likely be morale-based to reflect his glorious appearance. Extra stuff: This should reflect his supreme command of strategy and tactics. Possible effects will include some reserves manipulation, pre-game redeployment, choosing a Warlord trait, and so on. The emphasis should be on tactical tricks and army-wide buffs. I don't think he'll do things like allow squads to be more codex-y, that would likely be a general Legion rule (if anything) and not something he hands out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Lorgar-Dorn range? I see him as a swifter, less physically powerful version of Ferrus Manus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 ...Nevermind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Wouldn't a swifter, less powerful version of Ferrus Manus have a stat line like Lorgar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 My prediction: General Primarch Rules, Master of the Legion Ws8 bs5 str7 t6 w6 i6 attk5 2+ 3++ Weapons: -Gladius - Str User, Ap2, Specialist Weapon -Power Fist - Str x 2, ap1, Sunder, Specialist Weapon, Unwieldy -Primarch's Wrath - str4, ap3, salvo3/5, shred Special Rules: Master Commander - Guilliman can select any Warlord Trait Disciplined Ranks - all Ultramarines in the same detachment as Guilliman can chose to pass or fail leadership checks, they cannot be sweeping advanced Legion Special Rules: Prepared for any contingency - Legion Tactical Squads can take a special or heavy weapon for every 5 tacticals. Maximum two of each Hubris - Ultramarines can never benefit from allied warlord traits or special rules. Cannot be joined by allied units If pollux can remove unwieldy on his power fist I'll rage if I have to strike bloody last Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The only unwieldy weapons are forgebreaker and dorns sword? I think it should lose unwieldy, else sigi could give him a kicking. Theres definitely gonna be army buffage with him, maybe something that makes allies better when he's on too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The only unwieldy weapons are forgebreaker and dorns sword? I think it should lose unwieldy, else sigi could give him a kicking. Theres definitely gonna be army buffage with him, maybe something that makes allies better when he's on too. Ferrus doesn't actually have Unwieldy with Forgebreaker, only Perturabo does. Mortarion also has Unwieldy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Point being the unwieldy weapons are very big, his powerfists would have to be ginormous if they were to be unwieldy, apparently calgar can use two and be unwieldy, so roboute shouldnt have trouble with one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Vulkan and Mortarion can take being unwieldy though, they are pretty solid in comparison to other Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Vulkan and Mortarion can take being unwieldy though, they are pretty solid in comparison to other Primarchs. Vulkans S10 (not x2) Ap1 Thunderhammer isn't unwieldy either :P Only: Dorn, Mortarion and Perturabo with Forgebreaker are unwieldy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 And those 2/3 guys are 'Ard. The only 3 I'd dread popping up on the opposite side of the table, perty, vulkan and morty. Currently, of course Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3947999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Darn yeah I forgot he was the one not unwieldy, I'll have to look at Perturabo's stats, he's the one I've probably least looked at, don't think Dorn is especially resilient though (2/4 but nothing can wound on better than a 3). I wouldn't mind Roboute being unwieldy if he could choose which weapon he used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3948000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Darn yeah I forgot he was the one not unwieldy, I'll have to look at Perturabo's stats, he's the one I've probably least looked at, don't think Dorn is especially resilient though. I wouldn't mind Roboute being unwieldy if he could choose which weapon he used. Well, Dorn might not be immediately resilient but, if your wounding him on a 3+ or better (2+ etc.) it plain doesnt work on him. Unless its a D weapon. And those 2/3 guys are 'Ard. The only 3 I'd dread popping up on the opposite side of the table, perty, vulkan and morty. Currently, of course Vulkan especially since he can do his ground-pound and can re-roll failed IWND Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3948004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Might be like horus where he can split his attacks between his fist and his sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3948005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Horus' mace is unwieldy too. Juuust saying.Anyway, Guilliman stats prediction:WS:7BS:5S:6T:6W:6I:6A:5LD:10SV:2+/3++ Average overall, decent Invulnerable because I imagine he would. Rules-wise, I dunno, I'm not as good at predicting those. If Curze is to be believed though, he may potentially have the ability to duel with an abacus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303326-predictions-for-guilimans-rules/page/3/#findComment-3948143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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