Urauloth Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm just curious as to why the LS Storm isn't available to BA. Is there a fluff reason for it that I'm unaware of? It seems odd. I get why they're not in the Space Wolf codex, what with the way wolf scouts work and the lack of any other scout-related stuff, but since BA have more normal scouts and use scout bikes and so on, it strikes me as weird omission. (also an inconvenient omission, since I'd like one, but I don't want to have to get another codex and an allied detatchment to do it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Generally, if a Chapter doesn't use something it's because they are currently out of favour. That or the Ad Mech aren't playing ball with us again. From a game point of view, it's probably so that C:SM keep their unique stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Depending on your optomistic/pesimistic slant, it has been suggested that if our Scouts had a nice transport then less people would want Marines as their troops and GameWorkshop might not sell as many of their new Tactical sets. I'm not saying that I think this is plausable, but that was the popular theory when the 'dex dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sounds plausible. If I had the option, I know that my Troop tax would be 2 squads of CCW scouts in LS Storms. Also, they are trying to stop special chapters being Marines +1. We get Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Furioso Dreads, Librarian Dreads, DC Dreads and a Baal Predator. In balance, we lose Centurions, Storm Talons, Ven Dreads, LS Storms and Ironclad Dreads. I know it seems a bit sucky but to be fair, if we got everything Vanilla Marines got plus our extras, why would anyone play Vanilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sounds plausible. If I had the option, I know that my Troop tax would be 2 squads of CCW scouts in LS Storms. Same here. I Really like scouts in this new dex, the +1 init and w/s on the charge makes the C/C really punchy for thier points and in larger numbers (a squad of 10 and a squad of 5) the sniperscouts have been really working for me latley. Its a shame they have no transport. Whats the apeal of scout bikers? I've never seen anyone take them and I'm not sure why you would. Regular marine bikers are relativly cheap and with better stats and better wargear, I cant see a reason why Scout Bikers are a viable unit. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The only thing I can see for biker Scouts is their ability to take a Locator Beacon. But if you are playing a DS-heavy army, just get Dante. OK Descent of Angels only reduces scatter by D6" rather than eliminating it but the effect is table-wide. Otherwise just plonk down some Drop Pods and buy them Locator beacons. Biker Scouts seem to have no real role that cannot be done better/cheaper by something else and they take up a hotly-contented FA slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 They were also harmed when the rules were changed to disallow charging from reserves. Outflanking into a charge was a good reason to have them in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I know it seems a bit sucky but to be fair, if we got everything Vanilla Marines got plus our extras, why would anyone play Vanilla?Nobody but the fluff nerds would, but then again who needs 4 (5 previously) loyalist marine codices? The chaotic cousins manage with 1 (and have recently gotten 2 supplements). One Marine Codex with all options and a couple of fluff books would be much better IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Careful brother, I've seen people burned at the stake for voiceing the opinion that the BA should be rolled into the vanilla dex. ;) Glad I'm not the only one who couldnt find any value in scout bikers. If they were a troop choice I might almost give them a second glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Can you charge from a LS Storm? If so then it could be balance, our scouts get FC so would be quite deadly and maybe a little too good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 So long as it hasn't scouted, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvious Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sounds plausible. If I had the option, I know that my Troop tax would be 2 squads of CCW scouts in LS Storms. Also, they are trying to stop special chapters being Marines +1. We get Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Furioso Dreads, Librarian Dreads, DC Dreads and a Baal Predator. In balance, we lose Centurions, Storm Talons, Ven Dreads, LS Storms and Ironclad Dreads. I know it seems a bit sucky but to be fair, if we got everything Vanilla Marines got plus our extras, why would anyone play Vanilla? Don't forget Thunderfire Cannons as well. Thing is some of those things I think we needed. I think we needed the Talon as a second flyer option without transport or at least a second flyer of some description. I also think we needed the Landspeer Storm. I'm not exactly sure why a Marine Faction like the Blood Angels wouldn't use it. It carries our scouts up the field fast, it's open topped so easy to assault out of, etc, etc. Why don't Blood Angels use these? It seems completely out of our character. At least with everything else you can understand mostly because we aren't going to take really shooty options when we want to maim things in close combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Storm Talons aren't really an issue these days as you can take the formation that let's you have a Raven escorted by two of them, that I think you can detach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvious Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Storm Talons aren't really an issue these days as you can take the formation that let's you have a Raven escorted by two of them, that I think you can detach? Sure, but they aren't part of the codex is what I was meaning and when some players look at their lists they might only want one flier so they can say at least they took some anti-air support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Can you get the LS storm without SM scouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Can you get the LS storm without SM scouts? For Battleforged lists, not yet, no. For Unbound, it's a grey area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Too bad they didn't get the drop pod treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vettanker Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I know it seems a bit sucky but to be fair, if we got everything Vanilla Marines got plus our extras, why would anyone play Vanilla?Nobody but the fluff nerds would, but then again who needs 4 (5 previously) loyalist marine codices? The chaotic cousins manage with 1 (and have recently gotten 2 supplements). One Marine Codex with all options and a couple of fluff books would be much better IMHO And it'd cost $150 for said codex alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 I did kinda wonder if the answer might be "because fewer people would want tacticals and those are the new minis" It really does seem out of character for it to be missing from the BA arsenal. Centurions, thunderfire cannons, and (arguably) hunters/stalkers all make sense as exclusions because they don't fit the fast style of warfare, and vendreads and ironclads have no place when there are already unique BA dreadnaughts, but the storm is absolutely perfect - it's fast, it's aggressive, and BA scouts are much more likely to make use of its ability to deploy them into assault than any other chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I would personally say it was an oversight. I mean even with the vanilla dex the LSS was in a weird place last codex, and from what some people have said no one bothered with them before at all. So quite possibly in the next codex the assaulty marines will get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I would personally say it was an oversight. I mean even with the vanilla dex the LSS was in a weird place last codex, and from what some people have said no one bothered with them before at all. So quite possibly in the next codex the assaulty marines will get it. It's not an oversight when it was left out of the last BA codex. And the SW codex. And this BA codex. It's a codex toy. BA get enough of our own. Anyway, it doesnt matter as I'm going to ally in a storm with 5 scouts, a Talon, and a TFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Just wondering, if you took BA CC scouts and SM sniper scouts and an LSS, you would have to deploy the CC souts outside the LLS and have to embark them on turn 1, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I would personally say it was an oversight. I mean even with the vanilla dex the LSS was in a weird place last codex, and from what some people have said no one bothered with them before at all. So quite possibly in the next codex the assaulty marines will get it. It's not an oversight when it was left out of the last BA codex. And the SW codex. And this BA codex. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that we actually did have access to the LSS in our last codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that we actually did have access to the LSS in our last codex.You are wrong. I just checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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