Brother Dallo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hey all, I am considering putting in an order to Forgeworld, in a few months, once I've save the cash. My question for you is this. How would you spend £250 (or there abouts) on a new army? I don't have any of the rules, so £50 for the small books seems like a good start. I was then considering one of the 30 man bundles, which takes me up to £215, leaving £45 to spend on other stuff. I play Iron Warriors, and already have 10 Tactical Marines, and enough bits to kitbash a power armoured HQ of some type. I'm not overly keen on the shoulder pads, so would be looking to avoid them for now. The above would leave me with two full tac squads and some type of HQ. What would you suggest for the last £45? Would you scrap my list and start again from scratch? Any input is appreciated. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It depends how you wish to play your IW, you could invest in some weapons sets and make some iron havocs, heavy bolters, or missile launchers, or invest in 5 cataphractii, find yourself 5 cyclone launchers and make yourself some tyrant siege termies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_ Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 If it was me, I'd be looking at stretching another £20 or so for a contemptor. I'm not the best place to advise on 30k units, but I've heard they are good regardless, and pretty iconic for an army. If the budget is a non mover, then maybe a transport or predator of some kind (don't know the prices off the top of my head) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I literally DID just spend 250, I got the MK3 Strike Force, PraetorsDerdeo Dread with all the GubbinsHeavy Support SquadLascannonsUltramarines Transfer Sheet. Bam Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 There's little in the way of Iron Warrior special items to choose from apart from the Contemptor at this time. So it's worth addressing the rest of your future proposed list and see what you would need that's currently available. You've sorted the rules and a total of two full troop choices - but you still miss your HQ. You may also consider the Apothecaries. But both these choices can be kit-bashed depending on your budget and modelling desires. Biggest thing I regret not grabbing when I could was a Spartan, I didn't miss out on the Sicaran. Both of these items are a little more unique and can't be kitbashed so easily, they just go a little over your budget. I'm also biased towards the contemptor, but hey :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Id go with 2 heavy/special weapon packs of your choice and some jumppack destroyers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Getting a thirty man bundle will give you a solid core of troops, so it's a good start, though its gonna leave you starved for almost anything but footies for your first order. I'd stretch the first order a bit to contain something a little extra. Like say a Legion medusa or Basilisk (If anyone legion gonna use those, it would be IW) for heavy slot, or maybe a contemptor mentioned already, or perhaps just 5 cataphractii terminators (And you can think about if you want to acquire 5 cyclones to make them into tyrant siege termies later) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 What about a pair of apocathacies and a support squad? It is £56, so an extra £11. But it makes your two tactical squads more survivable and gives you something different to just bolter Fire, with a squad of plasma or volkite, as well as a thrid troop choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have been purchasing my army in roughly £250 chunks. I started with the 30-man bundle for tacticals and tac-support, moving down the line to an assault & despoiler squads. 40 breachers came next (yeah, a bit much, I know), etc. Then some bitz here and there amongst the orders. It's been about 5 such orders so far. I'm just doing the army one section at a time. Here's what I accumulated so far... THE HORUS HERESY BOOK ONE - BETRAYALTHE HORUS HERESY BOOK TWO - MASSACRETHE HORUS HERESY BOOK THREE - EXTERMINATIONTHE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: CRUSADE ARMY LISTTHE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: ISSTVAN CAMPAIGN LEGIONSTHE HORUS HERESY BOOK FOUR - CONQUEST SPECIAL EDITION LEGION PRAETORS (4) CATAPHRACTII PATTERN TERMINATORS (15)CATAPHRACTII POWER FIST SETS (2)CATAPHRACTII POWER AXE SET (1)CATAPHRACTII SPECIAL WEAPONS SETS (2) MKII COMMAND SET (2)LEGION MK II COMMAND UPGRADE x 3 (vox & vex)LEGION MK III COMMAND UPGRADE x1 IMPERIAL FISTS LEGION UPGRADE - TORSOS (50)IMPERIAL FISTS MK III HEAD UPGRADE (50)IMPERIAL FISTS LEGION MK II SHOULDER PADS (30) LEGION MK II TACTICAL (20)LEGION MK II TACTICAL SUPPORT (10)SPACE MARINE BOLTER - PHOBOS PATTERN (30)PHOBOS PATTERN BOLT PISTOLS AND PACKS (30)LEGION FLAMER SET (10)LEGION MELTA GUN SET (10)LEGION PLASMA GUN SET (10)LEGION ROTOR CANNON SET (10)VOLKITE CALIVER SET (10) LEGION MK II ASSAULT (20)LEGION MK II DESPOILER (10)LEGION MK III BREACHER SIEGE (40) LEGION SEEKER (10)LEGION SEEKER BOLTERS (10) LEGION MKIV OUTRIDER BIKES (3)LEGION SCIMITAR PATTERN JETBIKES (3) LEGION MK II HEAVY SUPPORT (10)LEGION HEAVY BOLTER SET (5)LEGION MISSILE LAUNCHER SET (5)LEGION MULTI MELTA SET (10)LEGION PLASMA CANNONS (5)LEGION LASCANNONS (5) (sorry for the all-caps, but I copied & pasted from my FW orders online.Some of the squad types are changed from their original models,i.e. extra Tacticals became Seekers & Heavy Supports.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Thanks for all of the replies guys. I'm currently leaning towards picking up two heavy support squads, and kit bashing them some missile launchers. Are missile havoks any good? I've heard they're not bad. I have a pretty extensive bitz box, so kit bashing a few apothecaries shouldn't be too hard. Feel free to chip in with any other ideas. Is it worth buying book 3 over the small books, if I'm settled on Iron Warriors? Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 No, you'll definitely want the small books, as they have the actual legion list you'll be playing from. Book 3 has great Iron Warrior info though, so you'll probably want it eventually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Book 3 needs book 1 for the basic heresy list info- imagine a supplement needing the actual 'dex to play. Fluff in book 3 is awesome though:) With IW I would go with a heavy of some kind- 10 ml are nice and 1 typhon is glorious;) in all honesty though I would pick up a few thudd guns and run them as quad rapiers for some heavy support multi template awesomeness of firepower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 But the core units for the maximum variety of lists you think you'll play (for now). That would be the safest bet. OH GOD I PULLED MY NECK MUSCLE WHILE STRETCHING WHILE WRITING THIS OH GOD THE PAIN! You can always buy things on how cool you think they look, thats fine, but have a means to use them even if its counts-as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimDim Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Lol dallo I just saw this post as I was making up a contemplation style list on the FW website for a Alpha legion allied detachment/ mini army (could be converted to iron warriors) got rid of some stuff that put it over the limit (deredo and sicaran) and added the books and heres what ive got: Legion tartaros termis (or cataphractti) =34 legion terminator special weapons set (not really needed but I like big booms = 16.50 legion terminator power axe set (all that could be required) = 12.50 legion mk4 (could be any pattern you want) strike force (20 marines, boltguns, and a command set) = 128.50 legion autocannons ( I like auto cannons but it could be any heavy weapon or support set) = 12.50 The books = 50 GRAND TOTAL.........254 This would give you a 20 man tac squad, a banner and an extra ornate body, along with ten marines to do with as you like. You could make a tactical support squad with meltas or plasma or volkites, or you could go auto cannon or whatever havocs. I took the termies because frankly I love terminators, but if you have an extensive bits box you could make tyrant siege termies with their ridiculous cyclone missle launcher spam (five cataphractii with powerfists, cyclone missle launchers on everyody and combi bolters they can fire at the same time!) alternativly if the actual tyrant official models get released (we can assume they would cost the same as the other legion specific termies so about 47 I believe) and you can drop the weapon packs, and assuming you want missle launcher havocs instead, it would end up looking like this: legion mk4 (could be any pattern you want) strike force = 128.50 books = 50 tyrants (if they get released) =46.50 rapier laser destroyer = 30 Total 255 I added the rapier because its very iron warriors, but it could be any unit in that price range (destroyers, etc) Just my two cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 For the Legions that know they're getting terminator sets, I'd STRONGLY recommend to wait for their release barring maybe 10 terminators to use in the mean time. You'll be wanting to kick yourself the day their released and outshine the generics in how awesome they look! Actually, do that for any legion specific unit - just counts-as them in the meantime if you can get away with it. I'm currently doing that to myself over my Kitbashed Templar GAH DAMNIT FW IF ONLY YOU PREVIEWED THEM A WEEK EARLIER!!! GAHHH Thats why I'm saying to stick to the generic Backbone over getting the shiny stuff right away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks again for the info guys. Glad you let me know about the books. I'd have been pretty raging if I'd shelled out £70 and not had a usable list. Holding out for the Tyrants seems like a good shout. Do you think Iron Havocs will get their own kit, as they could in theory be made with IW upgrade bitz and heavy support guys? Would people reccomend the 20 man bundle, or the 30 man bundle? It's the only order I'm likely to be putting in for a long time, and I see most lists run two full tac squads. However, getting 20 would give me more room for the fun stuff. Decisions. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Well there's no clear advantage of either. The 20 man is cheaper, but not by a third, because it also contains a command unit. First consider how much you want those. Then there's nothing demanding you go a full 20 for both of your squads to begin with, or that you get all troops in one go. Even if you get 30 guys + 1 toy together with the 10 dudes and command you have, your army will be playable, but it'll feel like stuffs missing at least until order number 2 either way. If you get 20 guys maybe you can fit in 2 toys, and then your next order can contain a 10 man bundle to fill your squads out. Also gives you the option of getting some different armor marks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I agree with Reinhard - the 20 man bundle is a bit more flexible, letting you have some different armour marks, and you buy the extra guys when they make iron warriors upgrade sets. 30 tactical guys will be enough for a small army 1-2k, and as you won't be making another order for a bit you want some variety. You could readily add a tank (look at a £50 - I'd recommend the whirlwind scorpius for gameplay and "classic iron warriors style" if you like the look of it) and rapier to that purchase, or a tank and a smaller support or heavy squad. You might be able to push to a contemptor if you can find a bit mor cash. By getting a command squad and centurion out of your command upgrade set and a couple of bolter guys, you'd pretty much have a reasonable and varied 1k force to start with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks for your opinions guys. The 20 man bundle is looking like an option now. Still, I've got several months to make up my mind. Another question. I know that you can buy 30k special weapons, like flamers, melta and plasma guns. Are the 40k equivalent usable in 30k? I know that they are compatible with forgeworld armour, but were those specific marks of weapon around at the time of the heresy? Cheers. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 But the core units for the maximum variety of lists you think you'll play (for now). That would be the safest bet. OH GOD I PULLED MY NECK MUSCLE WHILE STRETCHING WHILE WRITING THIS OH GOD THE PAIN! You can always buy things on how cool you think they look, thats fine, but have a means to use them even if its counts-as. Lemme know if you need some neck exercises for that, Slips. Got a few from pre-surgery physical therapy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Bolter and Chainsword - Number one site on the Internet for power armour discussion, and medical advice! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks for your opinions guys. The 20 man bundle is looking like an option now. Still, I've got several months to make up my mind. Another question. I know that you can buy 30k special weapons, like flamers, melta and plasma guns. Are the 40k equivalent usable in 30k? I know that they are compatible with forgeworld armour, but were those specific marks of weapon around at the time of the heresy? Cheers. Dallo FW would have us believe so. $$$. They really are 30K specific and do add a nice touch. Even with 40K models as a bit of 'revered' relics. Bolter and Chainsword - Number one site on the Internet for power armour discussion, and medical advice! The grim, dark hobby can be rough. It is not for the faint of heart... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3950851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I think you can use pretty much any 40k weapon found in the Marine Boxes for 30k. Flamer? Safe Melta Gun? Safe Plasma Gun? Safe Heavy Bolter? Safe Missile Launcher? Safe etc. until we get to: Grav Gun. It looks differently similar, sure, but I think you could easily use it for 30k Graviton since the rules are too different to confound them. Just be sure to remove any OTT ornamentation such as PURITY SEALS! EVERYWHERE!! AQUILAS! EVERYWHERE! The only thing that can't go 30k -> 40k is Volkite. We get awesome Martian Death Rays. No one else! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3951166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantioch Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hey don't if I'm too late to give you a suggestion but I just made my own order for my Iron Warriors. Here it is: IRON WARRIORS LEGION CONTEMPTOR DREADNOUGHT CONTEMPTOR PATTERN MULTI MELTA CONTEMPTOR PATTERN CLOSE COMBAT ARM (FIST) SPACE MARINE TANK CREW IRON HANDS LEGION HEADS UPGRADE SET LEGION CHAMPION AND MASTER OF SIGNAL LEGION MKIV MAXIMUS ARMOUR PHOBOS PATTERN BOLT PISTOLS AND PACKS SPACE MARINE MKIII TACTICAL SQUAD DEREDEO PATTERN DREADNOUGHT DEREDEO DREADNOUGHT ANVILUS AUTOCANNON BATTERY DEREDEO DREADNOUGHT AIOLOS MISSILE LAUNCHER The Iron hands helmet upgrade is just to add some variety to MK III armour since we haven't got our own upgrade pack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3951189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks Slipstreams. That was what I thought. The Godwyn bolter is off limits for pretty much everything baring limited numbers for the defenders at the Siege of Terra right? Thanks to everyone for your comments, feel free to chip in with any suggestions. I'm currently thinkng books, strike force, iron hands squad for bionics, and some more footsloggers, possibly heavy support dudes. That would give me a solid, characterful infantry basis, and be enough to start with. Still got a few months to change my mind, so we'll see. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/#findComment-3951256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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