DimDim Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks Slipstreams. That was what I thought. The Godwyn bolter is off limits for pretty much everything baring limited numbers for the defenders at the Siege of Terra right? I wouldnt say that, there are forgeworld official images in book 1 of marines carrying the bolter on presumably Istvaan, all be it extremely rare. Just make sure to file off any aquila's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3951331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thanks DimDim. Did not know that. I still think I'll avoid them. Loyalist Iron Warriors are unlikely to be the best supplied. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3951569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Hey all. Just wanted to say that I picked up a battered Contemptor Mortis on Ebay, (reasonably) cheaply so that will lend some semblance of anti tank to my army. Does having a contemptor change any of your suggestions? Thanks, as always, for your thoughts, comments and corrections. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Contemptors rule. Are you Gonna run it as a mortis or a normal one? I'll just use regular contemptors in talons, and leave the mortis job to the deredeos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah, with the Deredeo out, Mortis' dreads now take a respectful second to them unless you have maxxed out heavy support slots. If you're planning on a Deredeo, run it as a Normal Contemptor : Gun + DCCW or 2x DCCW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 What weapons did it come with? Are they serviceable? (as in not damaged) Otherwise you might get some other arms in your first order. Having a contemptor means you'll have an elite, meaning i'd try to get a heavy or two as extra toys with the first order. This will give you a more rounded off force even with your first order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Even if the weapons it came with are damaged i've seen a couple of cool conversions using normal dreadnought arms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Want OTT Contemptor Dreadnoughts? Wolf_packs got you covered! http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287452-wolf-packs-horus-heresy-iron-hands-bloodied-but-unbowed/?p=3790879 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287452-wolf-packs-horus-heresy-iron-hands-bloodied-but-unbowed/?p=3810564 I've seen them in person and holy are they amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Twin Assault Cannons and shoulder mounted Missiles. It looks reasonably easy to fix/repair. For some reason it came with no base, or knee pads. The base I can replace, though I'm going to need to get creative with the knees. Probably kitbash something. I plan to run it as is. Fluff wise, I'm thinking he was a Tyrant before internment. His chassis is the relic contemptor. I did some reading and believe that although the EC are the only legion to have the Aquila as standard, exceptional individuals from other legions could be presented with it as an honour mark. Sound about right? I'll probably hold off on the deredo for now. Not overly keen on the beer belly. Thanks for the comments guys. Dallo Edit: Missed a few posts. That Iron Hands dread is crazy. I've seen him before, but thanks for reminding me about him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Twin kheres are a cool outfit, and an extra havoc launcher is just a cherry on top. Congratulations on owning a true dakkadread! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Think you'll find him to fit right in. It will provide you with tons of anti-personell fire and its a reasonable threat even to heavier armed vehicles. Also provides you with a bit of anti air. complements artillery and the like that would typically go with IW quite well i think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah, I like the dakka variants. Lokkorex, the missiles I was referring to were a cyclone missile launcher. May have to tag on a havoc launcher if that's legal. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 CML in 40k=havoc launcher in 30k. Since fw doesn't make any havoc launcher, everybodys just using the CML as a havoc launcher anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 You mean this? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Dreadnoughts/CONTEMPTOR_CYCLONE_MISSILE_LAUNCHER.html Edit: my mistake misread the post :x Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Yeah Slips that's the one. I did not know that lokkorex. I thought Tyrant Terminators got actual CMLs? Do they have havoc launchers instead? That'd be a shame. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He means the model. Both Javelins and Tyrants, plus an Ultramarines Terminator Squad have access to CMLs (according to Visions of Heresy anyway). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 A lot will depend on the way you want your army set out but the majority of people I've seen go down 1 of 2 routes: big blocks of Tactical Marines or Pride of the Legion and blocks of Terminators. Personally, the 20/30 man bundles are mandatory because not only are you set for Tactical/Tactical support/Seekers/Veterans/Some heavy support options. And since the bolters are included you're saving some money as well. I can see the Iron Havocs just being an upgrade kit whilst the Iron Tyrants get their own sculpts so it's a matter of personal preference if you want upgrade kits for your regular guys. The one thing you need to do before taking the plunge is plan, it's a hefty investment if you realise you've made a mistake halfway through Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ah thanks for the clarification Hesh Kadesh. Does that mean contemptors with CML are 40k only? That would make me a sad panda. Thanks for the input Balthamal. I'd say that it's a hefty investment, whether you've planned poorly or not. I'm not really feeling Pride of the Legion at the minute, but may change my mind somewhere down the road. I think I'll probably ignore the upgrade kits if/when they get released. Like you said, it's an expensive hobby, and paying a significant lump per tactical squad for no in-game advantage doesn't seem worth it to me. That said, some of the upgrade kits look very snazzy. YMMV. I see that the bundles come with Vexillas. I don't have the rules, but I believe they benefit squad morale in some manner. Do IW need them with their morale rules? Cheers. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3952856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 What I meant to say was on the Contemptor Dreadnought, in the 40K version of the rules, the missile rack on the top of the Dreadnought is considered a Cyclone Missile Launcher, and is called that on the Forgeworld website. In the Legion books, however, Contemptor Dreadnoughts cannot take Cyclone Missile Launchers, they are instead equipped with Havoc Missile Launchers instead. The Havoc is essentially a more powerful frag missile only launcher, rather than the multirole Cyclone Missile Launchers. Feel free to use the same model for both, if you desire though. Currently, the only Cyclone Missile Launchers in the legion list are the Tyrant Siege Terminators (Iron Warriors only) and the Javelin Attack Speeders (for all Legions, comes as standard). Alpha Legion may select other legion's units as a result of their Unique Rite of War, letting them pick up Tyrant Siege Terminators as well, while the upcoming rules for the Ultramarines may allow them to take Cataphractii equipped with Cyclone Missile Launcher, but that remains to be seen yet (note that these Cyclone Missile Launchers preclude the use of Power Fists, unlike the Tyrant Siege Terminators - that image is from Visions of Heresy and what I meant earlier). However, Cyclone Missile Launchers are not in widespread use during the Heresy, instead being limited to Hunter Killers or Havocs being more appropriate to the task. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the in depth reply. Is the havoc launcher identical in rules to that in the chaos codex? Those ultramarine terminators look interesting. Never heard of a terminator armed with anything less than a power weapon for CQB. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think during 2nd/3rd edition terminators had to replace their power fist with a targeter When they purchased a cyclone missile launcher. The havoc launcher is like a missile launcher with only frag missiles, that are +1 strength, -1 AP and twin-linked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 The more you know. Thanks for your comment lokkorex. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 IMO if you're spending a big chunk of points on a 20 man tactical squad you have to take a vexilla for them. With no "And they shall know no fear" to save them from being swept in assaults you want to take any advantage you can. Little different for Fists and Iron Warriors as they don't test after shooting casualties but still worth the investment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ok. Thanks Balthamal. There are rumours that GW is releasing a HH starter box with Mk IV armour and Cataphractii terminators in May. Mk IV wouldn't be my first choice for loyalist Iron Warriors, but if it's significantly cheaper than forgeworld, I may bite. If GW are doing heresy stuff, I may get some of their stuff instead, and only get the books from forgeworld. Thoughts? Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Could be mark 3's too. Or 2's for that matter. But honestly the rumors have been going wild lately. If true that GW will be doing some plastic Heresy marines, those might be only a third as expensive as the FW equivalent. I'm sure purists will say that the drop in quality will be similiar. Or the rumors might turn out to be fake and nothing comes of it. You said your order will be fairly far in the future, but I guess before May? Unless you want to wait, you could perhaps go the crazy route and avoid infantry alltogether in your first order, instead focusing only on bigger toys for the first order, then supplementing that with infantry in the next order, when you know wether you want the possible GW alternative for infantry or not. Problem is that leaves your army fairly unplayable until order number 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303454-forgeworld-%C2%A3250-buying-list/page/2/#findComment-3953804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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