Marshal Reinhard Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 After all, look at the Centurions of GW. And then look at the Castellax of FW. To be fair some people like the GW Centurion models (I don't, I assure you) GW has also put out some brilliant kits, like the Imperial Knights (Which I do like) allthough these have already been expanded upon by FW. Certainly not trying to start a comparison in track records between FW and GW (GW would lose so hard), just trying to point out that GW for all the derpiness also sometimes come through with occasional brilliance. Guess it remains to see whether this will be such brilliance (promoting HH via a starter box) or derpiness (taking over HH completely from FW) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not even that keen on the GW Knight models. I mean they look pretty cool, but there's no possibility at all, and when you look at the FW ones, they just leave them in the dust. And that's not even getting into the stupidity of a 2 unit 'codex'... GW these days just leave me cold, and the FW heresy stuff is the best thing (and one of the only good things, in my opinion) about GW left. And I do not have faith in them to handle the heresy well. So I hope it is just a plastic starter, or basic marines. But I'm worried it's not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not even that keen on the GW Knight models. I mean they look pretty cool, but there's no possibility at all, and when you look at the FW ones, they just leave them in the dust. And that's not even getting into the stupidity of a 2 unit 'codex'... GW these days just leave me cold, and the FW heresy stuff is the best thing (and one of the only good things, in my opinion) about GW left. And I do not have faith in them to handle the heresy well. So I hope it is just a plastic starter, or basic marines. But I'm worried it's not. Have some hope! We are after a HH weekender after all! There cannot be a whole disruption of the system, when they show us their plans for the next 1-2 years... Or can be? Maybe this whole story is just a misinterpretation. But actually I'm also worried, just like you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Eh, let's just leave it at "I have more faith in FW than GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not even that keen on the GW Knight models. I mean they look pretty cool, but there's no possibility at all, and when you look at the FW ones, they just leave them in the dust. And that's not even getting into the stupidity of a 2 unit 'codex'... GW these days just leave me cold, and the FW heresy stuff is the best thing (and one of the only good things, in my opinion) about GW left. And I do not have faith in them to handle the heresy well. So I hope it is just a plastic starter, or basic marines. But I'm worried it's not. Have some hope! We are after a HH weekender after all! There cannot be a whole disruption of the system, when they show us their plans for the next 1-2 years... Or can be? Maybe this whole story is just a misinterpretation. But actually I'm also worried, just like you. I wish I could but being a pessimist anyway and having been in the hobby for 10 years and watching GW decline as they have in the last few doesn't exactly fill me with confidence ;) Someone on DD just posted this, which sounds better, although I don't know how much they actually know because they're relatively new and so none of their rumours have come to fruition yet... The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets. Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces. The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 "The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. " This in particular I really like! It would make it much much easier to add customisation to 40k armies and much easier to start heresy armies. One of FWs major drawbacks is their steep price range and I can personally say I love the 30k/horus heresy era, but I cant convince myself to leave hundreds of € just for a couple of squads. I dont mind 55 € for a primarch, but not for 5 marines WITHOUT bolters or upgrades of any kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 If they release a kit that has a mix of armor Marks and bolter types in enough quantity for a group of 20 count me in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance. Im definetly with you on the GW MK IV, the version of the Maximus is terrible, if they can get the same quality as FW however, then it would be great. I wouldnt really mind mixed armour marks, it would fit in well with a mid-heresy force, where bits had to be scavenged to maintain the forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Maybe the approach is to keep the kits at FW the same but offer a mixed armor kit for starters. Maybe not go balls deep but give a little foreplay that may entice people to join 30k when they have the means and dedication (or filthy rich) to join it. It would offer a new kit for Space marine players in 40k too so GW could essentially double dip the community. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not even that keen on the GW Knight models. I mean they look pretty cool, but there's no possibility at all, and when you look at the FW ones, they just leave them in the dust. And that's not even getting into the stupidity of a 2 unit 'codex'... GW these days just leave me cold, and the FW heresy stuff is the best thing (and one of the only good things, in my opinion) about GW left. And I do not have faith in them to handle the heresy well. So I hope it is just a plastic starter, or basic marines. But I'm worried it's not. Have some hope! We are after a HH weekender after all! There cannot be a whole disruption of the system, when they show us their plans for the next 1-2 years... Or can be? Maybe this whole story is just a misinterpretation. But actually I'm also worried, just like you. I wish I could but being a pessimist anyway and having been in the hobby for 10 years and watching GW decline as they have in the last few doesn't exactly fill me with confidence You are right. Only 7 or 8 years since my "introduction", but we lived through some interesting... decision from GW. And I found that lately everything from GW hits back. I was very excited about the End Times and loved the first two books, but the Khaine one was... weird. I thought that the ET will warm up the game, and more people will join to play it in my local area. I have a large-ish Empire army, which sits for nearly 3 years in boxes, as nobody wanted to play Fantasy. I even had a plan to build up a Vampire Counts force (as fluffwise that is my second best liked army), but it seems that the great beasts and epic characters are frightening the players away. I heard that Fantasy started to keep up again, and more people were involved, but nothing here Someone on DD just posted this, which sounds better, although I don't know how much they actually know because they're relatively new and so none of their rumours have come to fruition yet... The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets. Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces. The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too. That "Armour of Ages" box sound more reasonable, and the Skitarii would look promising, but I hope that they don't want to mess up with the making of the books. And - honestly - I like the FW sculpts overall better than anything that came out lastly from GW. Nagash and the Knight were the only exceptions, but the others didn't ring a bell in me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 "30k marneus calgar" Oh gods, i think i just threw up a little. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance. I said mixed armour marks because I simply cannot see GW doing a box of just one mark. I can't remember the last time I saw a GW Marine Kit that only contained one Mark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance. I said mixed armour marks because I simply cannot see GW doing a box of just one mark. I can't remember the last time I saw a GW Marine Kit that only contained one Mark. The rumour said mixed armour marks anyway haha. I'm not saying GW won't do mixed armour, I'm saying it would be a problem if you wanted to do a mono armour force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 While i'd love a plastic Box of heresy-era marks and weapons, i'd also like them to stay the hell away from the fw background and rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance.I said mixed armour marks because I simply cannot see GW doing a box of just one mark. I can't remember the last time I saw a GW Marine Kit that only contained one Mark. The rumour said mixed armour marks anyway haha. I'm not saying GW won't do mixed armour, I'm saying it would be a problem if you wanted to do a mono armour force. I think it could be a blessing in disguise. Wishlisting here, they do a box of 20 Marines, 5 in each of Mk 3-6. You and buddy each buy a box and trade like for like. He likes Mk4 and 6, you like Mk3 and 5. Each of you walks away with 20 Marines in the armour of your choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Mixed armour could be annoying if you wanted to go mono armour though. I'd maybe rather separate armour kits. I hope they keep the FW look too because I don't like GWs plastic MkIV helmets for instance. I said mixed armour marks because I simply cannot see GW doing a box of just one mark. I can't remember the last time I saw a GW Marine Kit that only contained one Mark.The rumour said mixed armour marks anyway haha. I'm not saying GW won't do mixed armour, I'm saying it would be a problem if you wanted to do a mono armour force. I think it could be a blessing in disguise. Wishlisting here, they do a box of 20 Marines, 5 in each of Mk 3-6. You and buddy each buy a box and trade like for like. He likes Mk4 and 6, you like Mk3 and 5. Each of you walks away with 20 Marines in the armour of your choice.Not if you don't have any Wargaming buddies. Or they don't play heresy. Or you like the same armour. Not seeing how 'you might possibly be able to swap with someone to get the armour you want' is a blessing in disguise when selling the armours as their own kits gets the same result, and you can still mix them if you want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Or you buy a box and sell what you don't want to fund buying more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Heck id settle for a ten man box, with vox, vexilla and sarge, lined up all nice mk 2, mk 3, mk 4, mk 5, mk 6. 20 quid, bob is indeed your uncle. Dont think that'd be a push. 5 different boxes for your basic range is doable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Heck id settle for a ten man box, with vox, vexilla and sarge, lined up all nice mk 2, mk 3, mk 4, mk 5, mk 6. 20 quid, bob is indeed your uncle. Dont think that'd be a push. 5 different boxes for your basic range is doable That's what I think would be better too. Everyone wins then, because you can still mix them if you wanted to, or you could go with one armour type if that's your thing. Selling the parts you don't need is an unnessecary hassle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I just can't see gw doing that tbh. Even for marines it's just too many resources spent on what i assume are a Niche part of the players/hobbyists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Or, and I know this radical, I could just buy twenty Mk III marines and not have to go through the effort of trading or selling off the ones I don't want. Just a thought. More of a whim really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 I just can't see gw doing that tbh. Even for marines it's just too many resources spent on what i assume are a Niche part of the players/hobbyists. I don't see them doing it either, that wasn't my point. My point was that would be the ideal situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sorry, misunderstood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sorry, misunderstood. Apology accepted :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303518-worrying-rumour/page/2/#findComment-3952216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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