Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 More affordable plastic kits can only be a good thing. I've also been advised that store management are being instructed to clear shelf space for Forgeworld models. The idea of inpulse buying Heresy models in a store is appealing to Gw, but also better for us thanks to a saving on Shipping. Frankly, I am excited - this will bring more players into the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 If I can start picking up FW in the GW store we have downtown, I'm all for it, but only as long as GW leaves the rules and fluff to the staff who'se been doing it so well already.Take over distribution, produce a few key kits in plastic, fine.Mess with the fluff? that I'm gone. HH is the fragile thread that still keeps me hooked, they better not break it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 more affordable and accessible? I may actually go to the local GW for that...or just order from their website. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 When they start selling the Heresy character series (in those lovely posh boxes) you'll certainly make a saving by dodging the shipping. I can see myself buying something every time I visit my local store... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 If I can start picking up FW in the GW store we have downtown, I'm all for it, but only as long as GW leaves the rules and fluff to the staff who'se been doing it so well already. Take over distribution, produce a few key kits in plastic, fine. Mess with the fluff? that I'm gone. HH is the fragile thread that still keeps me hooked, they better not break it. Exactly my sentiments. I'm just starting my foray into the Heresy after much deliberation, and I would hate to see all the background and fluff go in a bad direction. The models are whatever, I'm sure they'll maintain the same level of consistency with things like Primarchs and special characters. Plastic Heresy armor would be a bonus, as would certain plastic vehicle kits. Just praying they keep their grubby, simplistic, blundering paws out of the fluff and rules section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 So far all the rumour is that they're doing a starter box for the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 I've heard they are also doing a great crusade marine set as well, but can't really confirm anything at this point... Imagine a plastic Fellblade :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The idea of inpulse buying Heresy models in a store is appealing to Gw, but also better for us thanks to a saving on Shipping. For me, that would mean nothing. The store where I bought nearly all my miniatures stopped selling GW products a few months ago. There is an other store (the biggest in our region), but I have some bad experience with them. They messed up nearly all my orders, and I had to wait always more than a month, until I got what I wanted (when they didn't wrote after a month, that they aren't selling it anymore). And I couldn't just go there to check them out with my non-existing car, as they are more than 120 kilometres away. So I decided not to bother with them anymore. I think that even if they start selling the HH models in the local stores, I will still stick with FW. Better to wait half a year or a complete year to be able to make an order from a correct partner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Excitement is premature. What we currently have are rumours. And if all rumours were true, we'd have seen at least three different incarnations of plastic Battle Sisters, 9 individual Chaos Legion codexes/supplements and a plastic Thunderhawk by now. On the other hand, I think that if true, this is more likely disastrous than beneficial. Simply put I don't expect GW to limit themselves to just doing some plastics to make FW's job easier, they will want to have their fingers in all the Heresy pie. That means GWs god-awful crunch balance and fluff slithering into the Heresy (my commiserations Iron Hands, you got a couple of years of Sanctuary before they tracked you down ), which would really do a number on my enthusiasm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'll re-iterate what I've said in a few separate posts: I'll be happy if I can either a) buy ForgeWorld stock in a Games Workshop store, or b) order ForgeWorld through the main GW webstore (and avoid postage charges). It's been a long time coming in my opinion. I'll be happy if Games Workshop made plastic versions of basic HH units and vehicles that were available from the main GW webstore / in store. I'll be happy if Games Workshop put together a plastic starter set for HH I won't be happy if GW goes any further that that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'll re-iterate what I've said in a few separate posts: I'll be happy if I can either a) buy ForgeWorld stock in a Games Workshop store, or order ForgeWorld through the main GW webstore (and avoid postage charges). It's been a long time coming in my opinion. I'll be happy if Games Workshop made plastic versions of basic HH units and vehicles that were available from the main GW webstore / in store. I'll be happy if Games Workshop put together a plastic starter set for HH I won't be happy if GW goes any further that that. Excellently summarised. If I may add another point - I'll be happy if GW extend any new plastic HH range to be available through Independent Stockists, so that I can pick them up for 20% off at Dark Sphere... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'll re-iterate what I've said in a few separate posts: I'll be happy if I can either a) buy ForgeWorld stock in a Games Workshop store, or order ForgeWorld through the main GW webstore (and avoid postage charges). It's been a long time coming in my opinion. I'll be happy if Games Workshop made plastic versions of basic HH units and vehicles that were available from the main GW webstore / in store. I'll be happy if Games Workshop put together a plastic starter set for HH I won't be happy if GW goes any further that that. Pretty much this. As long as they leave the sculpting, fluff and rules with the current team then it should be all gravy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The local manager of my nearest gw seems to hate FW. If I mention them he goes all quiet and says FW as nothing to do with him! All I have ever said is that I mainly work on Heresy stuff from Forge World! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I want 5 - 10 man boxes of older armour marks in plastic. 10 MkIV marines with accessories etc for £30 (ideally £26) would sell like cocaine covered hot cakes. The local manager of my nearest gw seems to hate FW. If I mention them he goes all quiet and says FW as nothing to do with him!All I have ever said is that I mainly work on Heresy stuff from Forge World! Yes, because not being able to sell it in shops makes FW a direct competitor to GW stores. All the money you spent on HH stuff he would rather went in his own till. The old manager in my GW store rashly banned all FW models and decimated the hobby group, a quarter of whom were in the middle of building HH era armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'm hoping it will just mean the core units (Mark IV, Mark III etc) are sold by GW but FW maintain control of the Heresy because they have done a phenomenal job. We will see Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The local manager of my nearest gw seems to hate FW. If I mention them he goes all quiet and says FW as nothing to do with him! All I have ever said is that I mainly work on Heresy stuff from Forge World! Yes, because not being able to sell it in shops makes FW a direct competitor to GW stores. All the money you spent on HH stuff he would rather went in his own till. The old manager in my GW store rashly banned all FW models and decimated the hobby group, a quarter of whom were in the middle of building HH era armies. Ahh, that makes sense. Just found it odd because the previous manager loved talking Heresy and the models. I guess the previous guy was a little more into the hobby and less into the business. Probally why he is the former manager. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'm along with the consensus here in that plastic heresy era armor kits are a plus. Plastic heresy era vehicles are an even bigger plus (I'm looking at you Spartans & Storm Eagles/Fire Raptors). With the added bonus of hopefully being able to either pick up or order through the local GW (a placd that has relocated and I've only visited twice in as many years). I'm actually alright with them even FAQ-ing rules for the other current xenos armies so that they too can play 30k. I am not, in any way, alright with GW itself ruining our wonderfully balanced army lists. Edit: it would also be great to see a starter set as well...though who would be in it is anyones guess.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 I think Forgeworld did mess up some of the lore. Originally the Legions were around 10,000 to 25,000 strong, but then they decided to go Super Saiyan on us and multiplied the number by 10. This means that during the first founding the Ultramarines would have created 250 chapters - yet Gw lore states it was 25. Also, if the initial number of Marines was so high, considering there's been about 40 foundings since the end of the heresy, even if HALF of all chapters in the last 10k years were destroyed or fell to Chaos, there should be 10,000,000 Marines in the 41st millennium, not 1 million. Original gw lore: about 60 000 loyal marines at end of Heresy, devided into chapters. Ultras split into 25 Chapters. Foundings since that time create additional chapters, number of Marines grows and hits 1 million. Forgeworld lore suggests there were around 500k or more loyalists Marines at the end of the Heresy (250k from Ultras alone, and DA and Wolves were largely still alive). This would imply 500 chapters starting at the end of the Heresy. Each founding since was supposed to grow the numbers, it implies there would be a LOT more Marines in the 41st millennium. Anyways, I'm just saying the number don't fit as Gw lore suggests they have increased about 10x since the end of the Heresy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 On the Ultramarine chapters, they may have suffered enough losses to have dropped that number somewhat. Maybe not down to 25 chapters but less then 250. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Well, it does say they were largely unscathed at the end of the Heresy, so around 200k sounds right. Also, the Wolves split into great companies and it says they have generally maintained their numbers since the Codex Astartes... Yet there isn't 80,000 - 100,000 space Wolves in the 41st millennium! I'm just saying that FWs decision to increase the numbers creates a very epic setting, but not one that quite fits with the established lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I think bigger numbers are better. I mean chapters of 1000 space marines seem far to small. These are legions, 250000 being the bigger a seems about right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 I totally agree, I think GW lore needs to catch up to the changes FW have made. I just think it would have been nice for both to agree on stuff before it gets published... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Well, it does say they were largely unscathed at the end of the Heresy, so around 200k sounds right. Also, the Wolves split into great companies and it says they have generally maintained their numbers since the Codex Astartes... Yet there isn't 80,000 - 100,000 space Wolves in the 41st millennium! I'm just saying that FWs decision to increase the numbers creates a very epic setting, but not one that quite fits with the established lore. That you know of...dum dum dum! I think the Scouring is going to cost alot of Marines. Remember, the Ultramarines and the Wolves were at the forefront of these battles and some of them rivaled their Heresy in their scale. Thats a lot of losses to absorb. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 I really can't imagine Reboute Guilliman letting the numbers drop by 225,000 before the Codex was established...(Ultramar was still churning recruits after the heresy) Anyways, we should return to topic :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hmmmm.... Maybe they Space Sharked a few thousand. Go off into the void and don't come back untill :cuss goes crazy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/#findComment-3955180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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