Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Frankly, as much as I like the FW team, they arent perfect on rules releases. The RG release was a let down when compared to the other legions. My friend tells me that the 30k RG play as the 40k RG should...I agree. There isnt anything *spectacular* about them. WLK But if the 30k RG play like the 40k ones do, doesn't the point still stand that FW did it better? No one has said that they're perfect, but compared to the rules GW puts out... No, because the vast majority of the Heresy Lists have more..."life and character" than the RG. If I wanted to play 40k RG I would, and have in the past. I wanted some awesome legion rules and units like everybody else got. i got a list I could build using Codex Space Marines with no real effort. its like they created all this cool stuff, and the gave the RG a slightly changed Warp Talon unit rather than give them something original. "the Raven Guard like lighting claws right? why dont we give them a UNIT of them, only points cost them more than the 2+ armor save WS5 power weaon guys. No, thats not right. maybe we should.... oh who cares, look at the Gal Vorbak! They need more special rules..." WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3959371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Frankly, as much as I like the FW team, they arent perfect on rules releases. The RG release was a let down when compared to the other legions. My friend tells me that the 30k RG play as the 40k RG should...I agree. There isnt anything *spectacular* about them. WLK But if the 30k RG play like the 40k ones do, doesn't the point still stand that FW did it better? No one has said that they're perfect, but compared to the rules GW puts out... No, because the vast majority of the Heresy Lists have more..."life and character" than the RG. If I wanted to play 40k RG I would, and have in the past. I wanted some awesome legion rules and units like everybody else got. i got a list I could build using Codex Space Marines with no real effort. its like they created all this cool stuff, and the gave the RG a slightly changed Warp Talon unit rather than give them something original. "the Raven Guard like lighting claws right? why dont we give them a UNIT of them, only points cost them more than the 2+ armor save WS5 power weaon guys. No, thats not right. maybe we should.... oh who cares, look at the Gal Vorbak! They need more special rules..." WLK Nusquam (check the later pages 4+) would disagree with you on the Dark Furies. Mor Deythan are also pretty baller. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290168-raven-guard-tactics/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3959379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I quite like what they did with the RG actually. And the RG back then did fight pretty much the same way they do in 40k so the feel should be similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3959406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Frankly, as much as I like the FW team, they arent perfect on rules releases. The RG release was a let down when compared to the other legions. My friend tells me that the 30k RG play as the 40k RG should...I agree. There isnt anything *spectacular* about them. WLK But if the 30k RG play like the 40k ones do, doesn't the point still stand that FW did it better? No one has said that they're perfect, but compared to the rules GW puts out... No, because the vast majority of the Heresy Lists have more..."life and character" than the RG. If I wanted to play 40k RG I would, and have in the past. I wanted some awesome legion rules and units like everybody else got. i got a list I could build using Codex Space Marines with no real effort. its like they created all this cool stuff, and the gave the RG a slightly changed Warp Talon unit rather than give them something original. "the Raven Guard like lighting claws right? why dont we give them a UNIT of them, only points cost them more than the 2+ armor save WS5 power weaon guys. No, thats not right. maybe we should.... oh who cares, look at the Gal Vorbak! They need more special rules..." WLK yep. An entire unit with the ability to get into cc and shred power armor at base cost. Man, I wish the Night Lords had something like that. They have to buy all of their AP3+. :P Serious note, the better example of how "eh" FW rules can get would be the World Eaters. Everything relies on them stacking victories in CC. That said, they are still better than anything GW has. Even the RG Warp talon unit can shred the Chaos Warp Talon unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3959514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 @Slipstreams: yes, Nusquam does seem to like them once you add a Chaplain with a Void Shield Harness. Hardly a selling point that a unit becomes good once a independent character with a specific piece of wargear is added, @Fire golem: I'm not saying its terrible, because the 30k RG are workable, its just not lacks the 30k feel most of the Legions have. @Kol Saresk: the cost is a problem when compared to other Legion's unique units, which can either do more for less, or more for the same. Maybe cross comparing rules is where is problem startes, but looking at other elite units and then at the Dark Furies just bothers me. The World Eater are an excellent point of when FW drops the ball, they do hard. (atleast the Warp Talons have the 5++ to keep them in a fight longer than the DF do.) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3959783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I've not been around much the last several days due to some personal stuff, but let's keep this on track and away from any xenos or sports discussions. That said... Not saying it's not possible, they won't be the same. Just look at a plastic Marine arm or bolter and look at a resin arm or bolter. Notice the difference? This is not due to scuplts, it is due to the completely different process in production and the capability of each of the materials. I've seen this idea thrown about since I got into the hobby 15 years ago, though it's usually talking about the superior quality of pewter over plastic, and it's patently false. Plastic models can be every bit as detailed as resin and metal. To do that, the injection molds would have to be a lot more detailed themselves, which would cost a lot more money and since the majority of the people who build this stuff aren't modelers with experience from other companies, no one really says anything about it. Go look at some of the high-end kits, especially WWII tanks, by companies like Tamiya or Dragon/DML, and you'll see the level of detail that plastic kits can hold. The problem is price and the need to satisfy the profit demands of the shareholders. Could they make injection molded multi-part plastic marines in Marks II - V that look as good as the ones from FW? Absolutely. It's entirely possible. Will they? Doubtful. If this rumor ends up being true, they will most likely be close, but less detailed and probably have little bits here and there changed to make cutting those new molds just that little bit cheaper. Yes, they can be as detailed...GW plastics most likely not. I doubt they will change the process they use for a new product. It's not just the mold, it's the formula of the plastic to get the correct flow to fill those details. But you get the point, the likely hood of them making these changes is slim. All we will get is a 40k style of early marks and won't look the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303658-so-whos-excited-about-gw-taking-over-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3960203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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