Grim Dog Studios Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hi all, planning a Predation Fleet Raven Guard army, but had a few questions relating to the time period in which they were "sent off". I've read and re-read the information in Extermination but it does not appear to give a set time as to when it happened. My educated guess would be not straight away, but before the battle of gate forty-two as it explains here that a lot of the remaining terrans died. Which to me makes it appear that the majority of them had gone before this event. Any help is greatly appreciated! Many thanks, James Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The Nomad Predation Fleets were definately used post reunion with the Primarch, as the Shade Lord of the legion was given one for his service. But I got the sense that they existed pre primarch as well. The RG as a legion had the disposition for prolonged operations away from the chain of command. But that is just my thinking on the topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There isn't a whole lot on the subject. I suspect for homebrew reasons more than anything. Plus some were attached to Rogue Trader Milicants and "other so-called 'lone wolves". I suspect this is so should you want to make such a force, you aren't stuck keeping their individual fluff stuck on the fringes of known space. So they can 'show up' at various campaigns or battles you and your group may have. RG have a habit of keeping Remembrancers and the like out of the picture until after the fact. Who's to say a Rogue Trader wasn't involved in a battle with a detachment of XIXth that were left off the official record? I know I've taken it as such. I'm making a detachment of Terran XIXth that will double as Carcharodons in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think it's a relatively safe bet that that's exactly what the Carcharodons are, a Nomad Predation fleet of RG sent away for being particularly bloodthirsty. But yeah I'm guessing there was a few of them and the idea of them is to make your own fluff around them. RG on the whole are pretty individual so it could just be a fleet of RG doin their own thang, or some of the Terran RG sent away by Corax for being a bit too wanton in their fighting, or attached to rogue traders, etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krargan Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If I remember correctly, isn't the Shade Lord referred to as the Captain of the Nicor? And Tyberos, The Red Wake, CM of the Charcaradons is also captain of the Nicor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If I remember correctly, isn't the Shade Lord referred to as the Captain of the Nicor? And Tyberos, The Red Wake, CM of the Charcaradons is also captain of the Nicor... Yes. Carcharodons are what became of the Predation Fleets. Book 3 all but officially said such, without actually saying "Predation Fleets became Carcharodons" because they didn't exist yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If I remember correctly, isn't the Shade Lord referred to as the Captain of the Nicor? And Tyberos, The Red Wake, CM of the Charcaradons is also captain of the Nicor... Yes. Carcharodons are what became of the Predation Fleets. Book 3 all but officially said such, without actually saying "Predation Fleets became Carcharodons" because they didn't exist yet. All of the Predation fleets? Or just that one in particular? I think there were a few, and so different things happened, but I need to reread it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If I remember correctly, isn't the Shade Lord referred to as the Captain of the Nicor? And Tyberos, The Red Wake, CM of the Charcaradons is also captain of the Nicor... Yes. Carcharodons are what became of the Predation Fleets. Book 3 all but officially said such, without actually saying "Predation Fleets became Carcharodons" because they didn't exist yet. All of the Predation fleets? Or just that one in particular? I think there were a few, and so different things happened, but I need to reread it. Unknown. Those aboard the Nicor could be the only survivors or just the ones we know of. Could be mere chapter strength or triple. Others could have become different chapters. Not much to go on, I suspect, on purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 I appreciate the replies, I intend to get a project log up by the end of the day! Just have to pop into town and see if a model shop I've never been to before sells sand for basing, as I've completely ran out. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 This is making me wanna reopen my RG thread... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3955960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 This is another of things I really want to do. Too many possibilities :( in a good way though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't think all the Predation Fleets were sent off at the same times, but I guess the ones that became the Carchadons were the first led by the former legion master of the XIX, mentioned above. The other ones may have gone their own way, rejoined the Legion post Istvann, or joined the Warmster (there appear to be Raven Guard fighting for him in Conquest)l Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't think all the Predation Fleets were sent off at the same times, but I guess the ones that became the Carchadons were the first led by the former legion master of the XIX, mentioned above. The other ones may have gone their own way, rejoined the Legion post Istvann, or joined the Warmster (there appear to be Raven Guard fighting for him in Conquest)l Really? Makes sense I guess, seeing as pre Corax they worked very closely with Horus and the LW. Is there any more info about that or is it just something you inferred? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Conquest p.49. Basically there is a void battle between the Warmaster and Imperial forces that, apart from a chaotic skirmish, was just a stalemate as both forces were well matched. Then a dark fleet turned up that used advanced masking technology such as used by the XIX legion, which was thought destroyed at Isstvan V (taking this from the pages so is an account). The failed to answer the Imperial hails and just moved towards imperial lines, which could be destroyed on its own, but would tip the battle towards the traitors if allowed to join with them so the I perials moved to intercept. Then they realised behind the Raven Guard fleet, which had now been confirmed, was another one, led by the Vengeful Spirit. The Raven Guard ships sacrificed themselves to allow the Vegeful Spirit to get amongst the Imperials, and no Raven Gaurd personal are written about, so there is a chance they were captured ships, but I think this is supposed to be an example of turn coat Crows. Wait wrong book, traitor Ravens :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Just mentioned this to someone else not too long ago, let me see if I can find the quote. The bit on the nomad predation fleets is on page 138: "A small number, mostly Terrans of the Legion of old, had been assigned to serve beyond the fringes fo the Imperium, some in independent 'nomad predation' fleets, others attached to various Rogue Traders Militant or other so-called 'lone wolves.' One of these fleets was in fact commanded by the Legion's former commanding officer - Shade Lord Arkhas Fal - on the direct order of the Primarch when Corax took over the Raven Guard. What became of the Shadow Lord, his fleet and the other elements may never be known, and the fact that Corax appears to have made no effort to recall them suggests they were considered a body apart from the bulk of the Legion." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Conquest p.49. Basically there is a void battle between the Warmaster and Imperial forces that, apart from a chaotic skirmish, was just a stalemate as both forces were well matched. Then a dark fleet turned up that used advanced masking technology such as used by the XIX legion, which was thought destroyed at Isstvan V (taking this from the pages so is an account). The failed to answer the Imperial hails and just moved towards imperial lines, which could be destroyed on its own, but would tip the battle towards the traitors if allowed to join with them so the I perials moved to intercept. Then they realised behind the Raven Guard fleet, which had now been confirmed, was another one, led by the Vengeful Spirit. The Raven Guard ships sacrificed themselves to allow the Vegeful Spirit to get amongst the Imperials, and no Raven Gaurd personal are written about, so there is a chance they were captured ships, but I think this is supposed to be an example of turn coat Crows. Wait wrong book, traitor Ravens :) So I could use some RG alongside my SoH models... But I dunno if I'd rather stick to loyalist RG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303679-predation-fleet-timeline/#findComment-3956162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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