Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 So as it stands I have a reasonably large sisters of battle force, I do however tend to favour armour over troops however as many do. In this however I do have a few units like Heavy Bolter Retributors which I love to field in thinks like bunkers to keep them safe, as this eats up both my fortifications and a Heavy slot I find myself having to choose between them and anti air. I my sisters of battle force however I do tend to run 2 Exorcists, 2 Repressors and 6 Multi Melta Immolators so I am wondering, if this is something I really need to concern myself with? With so much twin linked and in 7th ed rules of jinking are flyers really worth worrying about these days? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 This is my experience, so fwiw i wouldn't think you need to worry about anti air with that many immolators. Its just too easy for a single hit from a multimelta to knock a flyer out of the sky. Indeed this is what happened repeatedly when I played a game against my buddy proxying D-99 Elysians, and his vultures were snapshoting uselessly trying not to explode. But as always, ymmv Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3959901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 See thats largly what I immagine but it just came to mind as i was working on a painting list/ force list for my sisters. As much as I love the Avenger I like other models more. Besides 4 heavy bolters with rending do allot of dmmage when rerolling to hit. Need some weight of fire from somewhere and they can even hurt wraith knights now with the chages to the toughness wounding chart. Damn toughness 8. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3959943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Its just too easy for a single hit from a multimelta to knock a flyer out of the sky. Indeed It depends on the flyer. Maybe it is just local, but the boys at home tend to be fond of ceramite plating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3960642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Its just too easy for a single hit from a multimelta to knock a flyer out of the sky. Indeed It depends on the flyer. Maybe it is just local, but the boys at home tend to be fond of ceramite plating. Ceramite plating is rare, only a few things have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3960930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 All of them are Space Marine though. >< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3960969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 That is true but surely we should not be armying ourselves to fiht our brothers? ;) Te be honest I fee fire raptors and Vendettas the most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3960994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Its just too easy for a single hit from a multimelta to knock a flyer out of the sky. Indeed It depends on the flyer. Maybe it is just local, but the boys at home tend to be fond of ceramite plating. I don't really see much of this, but with armor 12 on most flyers its still a big risk. But yes YMMV. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Stormtalons and Stormwolves and Cestus Assault Rams; oh my! We have an abundance of SW players in my little group and that new assault flyer is big hit. No one does much cavalry, tho. Anyway, even when they go into hover mode it is easier for me to take out a Land Raider. Don't let me talk you out of using Immolator melta for anti-air, tho. Each one has a 30% chance to hit with snap shots. Often that threat alone is enough to make them jink, and that's all you need to do for that turn. You don't always have to kill them to beat them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Only ever seen 1 ram used, unsure if the wolf has it but the Talon is just a pesky little thing. I know, jinking is the idea but I take an Calidus assassin to delay them as well so with luck it will be turn 3 before they see any air support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjetto Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 My heavy supports are (almost) always this: Exorcist Exorcist Avenger strike fighter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Bring the Exorcist and roll 3's on mysterious objectives like a pro, than you have the fun of both. Just make sure you have alot of objective markers nearby. Oh and the Avenger strikefighter obviously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Bah! Not the Talon, the Raven. Sorry about that ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Questions for Duke Danse Macabre: When you refer to the "Talon," do you mean the Stormtalon from 'Codex: Space Marines', or the Dark Talon from 'Codex: Dark Angels'? When you describe it as "just a pesky little thing," do you mean it poses minimal threat to your army (meaning I shouldn't get one for my own Space Marine army, as it's not worth the points)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3961931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 Questions for Duke Danse Macabre: When you refer to the "Talon," do you mean the Stormtalon from 'Codex: Space Marines', or the Dark Talon from 'Codex: Dark Angels'? When you describe it as "just a pesky little thing," do you mean it poses minimal threat to your army (meaning I shouldn't get one for my own Space Marine army, as it's not worth the points)? I was refering to the Storm Talon, not the Dark Talon though I consider the Dark Talon to be a poor flyer. Storm Talons are not a huge threat, I personally think of them as slightly faster Land Speeders, they are decent gun ships but with paper armour and 2 hull points they are not worrying ebough for us to take a hard counter to them. They are good gun ships however but Ravens etc are a much larger threat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3962640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
damnedsilverskulls Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I usually run 9 immolators. 6 are troops and 3 dominion. Additionally, I run 3 exorcists. The twin-linked Melta and exorcist missiles typically keeps the flyers in check so I feel I don't need much anti air. Flying monstrous creatures are another story...I usually ignore the assaulting ones until they are on the ground. the shooting ones are a little harder to deal with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3962804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendal1989 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 ugh, true, I like to pretend FMCs don't exist.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3962879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 ugh, true, I like to pretend FMCs don't exist.... Bring backl the days when flashlights made them crash to the ground I say! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3963574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I like my pair of quad icarus VWBs, but in the future, I'm thinking of a SR-load of repentia instead...with the pair of VWB costing 75% as much as the SR, it's a really good deal. My heavies are 2 exorcists and an avenger, which I find to be decent anti-air in their own right, but not having to use them in that role is...liberating! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 ugh, true, I like to pretend FMCs don't exist.... Bring backl the days when flashlights made them crash to the ground I say! Marker lights could bring them down; like a cat chasing a laser pointer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Question for Fibonacci: What option do non-Tau players have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Answer on behalf of Fibonacci: quad icarus turrets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Actually, the Firestorm Redoubt with the two quad lascannons might be just what the OP was looking for. The lascannons are anti-air, and the redoubt also has a bunker for the Retributors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The Firestorm Redoubt is /terrifying/ when things work out. Across three turns, I saw one intercept a stormwolf, crack open a tesseract vault, and immobilise a Ghost Ark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3964964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Actually, the Firestorm Redoubt with the two quad lascannons might be just what the OP was looking for. The lascannons are anti-air, and the redoubt also has a bunker for the Retributors. That is a good point...I bought the VWB kit and the FR kit to make quad icarus VWBs, but if you have need of the bunker, it's well worth the extra 50 points (and passing up the opportunity to spread out your AA for both better coverage and better survivability...never wanna put all your eggs in one basket building if you can help it...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303866-anti-air-or-immolator-spam/#findComment-3965294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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