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Loyalist alpha legion?


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Haha so I'm in the realm of possibility. I was inspired by the XXth march of the legion cabello warrior. So Is Omegon or Alpharius the good one? I won't be hurt if you spoil it.

 

-I want it to be AL guys who are terran that got sent off with Dorn and have been kicking in doors and have just hit the point where they are done with the sneaking around. Now is the time for a liberal use of banestrike rounds and a foot in the A** of the traitor brethren.

Also in a recent Novella there's some fluff precedent (can't figure out the spoiler thing so I won't say much lol)

 

In the recent novella "The Seventh Serpent" there is a force of loyalist Alpha Legion who didn't side with Alpharius. They were still handling things like Alpha Legion, being sneaky and all, but their allegience was that of Terra...

 

Haha so I'm in the realm of possibility. I was inspired by the XXth march of the legion cabello warrior. So Is Omegon or Alpharius the good one? I won't be hurt if you spoil it.

 

-I want it to be AL guys who are terran that got sent off with Dorn and have been kicking in doors and have just hit the point where they are done with the sneaking around. Now is the time for a liberal use of banestrike rounds and a foot in the A** of the traitor brethren.

We don't know which one is loyal and which is traitor. If they even are. It looks like Omegon is loyal (there's a cool theory that Omegon becomes Janus, the first Grandmaster of the Grey Knights).

In a Legion that is so associated with duplicitous activities, where double-crossing and triple-crossing are part of the everyday, and the modus operandi of the Legion is to infiltrate, deceive, and confuse - who can say whether any elements are loyalist or traitor at all? Maybe there are Loyalist elements of the Alpha Legion who are looking to serve the Emperor and the Imperium, but do you honestly think that 1) They're going to do anything to expose themselves to any other Alpha Legion legionnaire? Even if they do turn around and go "hey - me too", you cannot trust them at all, so you have to go "lone wolf" to avoid being eliminated. 2) They're probably not going to leave the Legion. For a Legion whose doctrine heavily involves infiltration they would know that the most good is served from being in the belly of the beast, and trying to knock out the support structure from within the Legion.

 

Plus, as a member of the Imperium at the point the Heresy breaks out and the full nature of the Traitor Legions have been revealed, why would you EVER trust an Alpha Legionnaire? Whilst I'm onboard with elements of remote Expedition fleets "not getting the memo" about their parent Legions turning traitor, and some elements refusing to go against the Imperium, this is a Legion whose primary skill is the art of misdirection and no matter the scenario you find yourself in there's no way anyone's going to go "Yeah, that AL guy, he's alright he's loyal". You have AL guys in the Sol system, hanging around with Dorn, yeah they might be loyal but they're equally an initial strike force tasked with opening up the route to Terra for the Warmaster to come through, or to launch a strike against Dorn and killing off the Emperors Praetorian.

If I were Dorn and I hear word of some AL astartes coming forward claiming to be loyal, they'd be incinerated by meltas before they can even draw breath. Some Legions you can hear out, some you may even give the benefit of the doubt and give them a short leash to prove themselves of their loyalty, but most are going to be killed - if not out of principle and vengeance, then purely out of security. I cant see any other option for an Alpha Legionnaire.

 

I'm sure a lot are thinking "but if they come out and say that they're AL, rather than sneaking in as other Legions, then that has to prove something as they don't have to reveal themselves like that", I wouldn't underestimate the gamesmanship of the Alpha Legion and how long term their plans are. Melta, burn them with fire...

 

Now, if you're talking about Loyalist elements of the Alpha Legion wanting to serve the Imperium, and deciding that the only way to do this is to infiltrate a loyal Legion (like the Imperial Fists) and impersonate one of their Legionnaires whilst actively on the guard for other agents of Alpharius and the Warmaster - that feels very much like the Alpha Legion. Maybe subtly directing the training  regime to more covert tactics, and the ability to protect themselves from an attack from an infiltrating force and recognizing signs that traps are being laid for them to fall into, yeah I can someone from the AL doing that undercover. They're not going to a "Loyalist AL Black-Ops unit", but they could be responsible for having units set up within other Legions whose objectives and tactics would be similar. Ultimately it would be a very risky thing for them to do, as there willll come a time where true Legion origins may be discovered and they're outed as an enemy infiltrator and (most likely) executed - but at the least it'll be death in service to the Imperium.

Others already showed one spoiler, I will present 2 more:

Deliverance Lost:

There is a scene when one of the Omegon/Alpharius does not follow commands of the Cabal. Everyone can make their own conclusion out of it, but you can use that as well for your background.



Scars

Mortarion was surprised to hear that Alpha Legion fleet blocked White Scars until they were sure that White Scars got the message from Terra (which was the bad thing for Horus), and said that Alpharius has his own games. But again, you can use that as a precedent that loyalties of Alpha Legion are not exactly obvious.



And considering spoilers above, I would warn you against doing "openly loyal" Alpha Legion force, because it contradicts the whole spirit of Alpha Legion. Instead of that, you can do normal Alpha Legion force (just without Chaotic stuff when it will be introduced in HH books), and when asked by your opponents or anyone else, you can show them evasive smile and say that they are pursuing their own interests.

I don't see anything overly wrong with 'openly loyal' AL. It's a big legion after all, that valued independence. Hyenidae has a cool loyalist AL thing, the 'Ghost Legion' in grey armour with chains, they're pretty cool. Dunno how open they are about it but if that's what you wanted to do go for it.

I don't see anything overly wrong with 'openly loyal' AL.

It is not about wrong or right. Just would be strange if Jimbo13 is intrigued by deceiving and intriguer aspects of AL and then will make just different coloured Raven Guard, missing out what he liked in the first place.

 

I don't see anything overly wrong with 'openly loyal' AL.

It is not about wrong or right. Just would be strange if Jimbo13 is intrigued by deceiving and intriguer aspects of AL and then will make just different coloured Raven Guard, missing out what he liked in the first place.

Not really. Before the heresy they were loyal but there was still a lot of deception and intrigue. The heresy added another level sure but making openly loyal AL doesn't suddenly get rid of all the intrigue they had before.

 

I wouldnt do it personally but if that's what Jimbo13 wanted to do there's nothing overly wrong with the idea.

Holy crap.... go to bed and bam all these responses. So it sounds like I just want it too bad. I like the covertness and everything that makes the alpha legion the alpha legion. But I don't know that being a loyalist alpha legion who eschews that is something that would be taken well. And I huess I would melta vaporize them too.... so pretty much they lone wolf it if they're loyal. Also all insoiration came from the ghost legion post. ..

From reading the HH:Extermination article it's clear that they prefer the messing about but also they have all the fundamental capabilities of other legions but tend to hold them back and use them as a dagger to the heart rather than forming a traditional battle line like other legions to. Read the battles they do in the Extermination book, there's several examples where they do mass battles but they carefully set them up first with their covertness.

 

They do from time to time adopt the tactics of other legions though, they seem be able to do everything but that everything is usually a mask, a bluff, a diversion from their more covert tactics.

 

For my Alpha Legion I want to use Mk III simply cause I think they'll look cool in them, the idea though is they have troops in heavy Mk III armour used as bait, trying to trick the enemy into thinkingthey are facing a conventional force, when in fact the killing blow comes from elsewhere like a right hook.

 

I'm thinking, my force is part of an expeditionary fleet and so has been out of contact with the more centralised units that Alpharius and Omegon can call upon.

When it comes to the Alpha Legion and all their machinations and plots within schemes within plans designed not to succeed I just remember the very sage words of Alan Bligh at last year's HH Weekender

 

"There could even be more than one Alpha Legion"

 

In other words, everything is viable.

When it comes to the Alpha Legion and all their machinations and plots within schemes within plans designed not to succeed I just remember the very sage words of Alan Bligh at last year's HH Weekender

 

"There could even be more than one Alpha Legion"

 

In other words, everything is viable.

 

"Nothing is true; everything is permitted."

 

At least when it comes to speculation and misinformation planted by the XXth Legion, as well as the plans they enact to achieve their goals.

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