Brother Hadafix Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 How well does the 40K Imperial Guard codex mix with the 30K Legions and work in that setting? I am thinking of starting an Alpha Legion army and I already have Imperial Guard (Alpha Legion have agents everywhere and the Heresy era was a crazy time). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 You have the 30k Solar Auxilia List which would work better. Found in Book4 Conquest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 It would have to work with what I already have, I am not buying a whole other guard army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I dont see why you couldnt use your 40k guard models. The only thing is that most of the tanks have no Sponsons and you can have Squads of 10 with all power axes or volkites. Everything else should be easily proxyable - thought he Dracosan might be a bit tougher. Edit: and 20 man Lasrifle sections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Unless Im mistaken you cant ally 40k guard with 30k legions as they use different ally matrices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I dont see why you couldnt use your 40k guard models. The only thing is that most of the tanks have no Sponsons and you can have Squads of 10 with all power axes or volkites. Everything else should be easily proxyable - thought he Dracosan might be a bit tougher. Edit: and 20 man Lasrifle sections. That should not be a problem, I don't run LRMBT anyway but I do have a Malcador Unless Im mistaken you cant ally 40k guard with 30k legions as they use different ally matrices. Going to require some confirmation as the idea came up speaking to a GW staffer and a group that play HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Well, they're not a part of the AoD Allies Chart so by that virtue alone 40k Guard cannot be taken as allies for legions; only Mechanicum, Knights (technically Mechanicum) and Solar Auxilia (Imperial Army) are non-legion allies options for 30k. Also, FW have already stated (I can't find the reference atm) that 30k and 40k armies aren't intended to be played against each other. Theres nothing stopping you from doing so but it'll take some work on your part to do so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Well, they're not a part of the AoD Allies Chart so by that virtue alone 40k Guard cannot be taken as allies for legions; only Mechanicum, Knights (technically Mechanicum) and Solar Auxilia (Imperial Army) are non-legion allies options for 30k. Also, FW have already stated (I can't find the reference atm) that 30k and 40k armies aren't intended to be played against each other. Theres nothing stopping you from doing so but it'll take some work on your part to do so. I think this is what you are looking for. From The Horus Heresy Volume 1: Betrayal Errata & Addenda – Version 1.1 Amended 8th May 2013 "Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks? A: While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the Codexes representing warfare in the 41st Millennium, and this will remain the case." So you can play 30k vs 40k, but 30k vs 30k is much more fun and fine tuned. That being said most players of 30k start off by using proxies and RoW PoL using their existing 40k SM as vets because you kit them out the same. So use your AM as SA to see if you like the play style and what not, don't think anyone will contest you using proxies. Do it and have fun man thats what 30k is all about fun not so much anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I wouldn't get too set up with Solar Auxilia yet, since Book 5 is just around the corner and should have some rules for Imperial Army/Planetary Defense Forces. But otherwise, you'd need to choose one of those two to play your guard as unless you work something out with your opponents - IG don't exist in 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I don't see the problem with using your guard as auxilia. What do you normally run? As long as you don't run tons of valks in 40k you'll be fine. I don't think the auxilia all looked the same so they could literally be anything and If you run cadians then they already look the part. You can have an av 13 vehicle with a demolished cannon for your transport or even an aegis defense line. Also 20 man squads and super heavies for your heavy support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Maybe the Imperial Militia rules coming in book 5 would be better suited to IG armies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 Patience is going to be a virtue... Well I can wait. My IG are all Chimera with some other vehicles, no flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Ehhh Chimeras didnt exist in 30k so until they add something similar like a precursor with the Imperial Militia, Dracosans and Arvus Lighters are your only real transport options as Solar Auxilia; unless you use that Baneblade Chassis, the Stormlord right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 I am almost certain that I have read a mention of them in the HH. Still that would just make my IG some points lighter and don't know the HH values for Imperial Army, it really isn't a biggy as it was just am avenue of thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Well, they're not a part of the AoD Allies Chart so by that virtue alone 40k Guard cannot be taken as allies for legions; only Mechanicum, Knights (technically Mechanicum) and Solar Auxilia (Imperial Army) are non-legion allies options for 30k. Also, FW have already stated (I can't find the reference atm) that 30k and 40k armies aren't intended to be played against each other. Theres nothing stopping you from doing so but it'll take some work on your part to do so. I think this is what you are looking for. From The Horus Heresy Volume 1: Betrayal Errata & Addenda – Version 1.1 Amended 8th May 2013 "Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks? A: While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the Codexes representing warfare in the 41st Millennium, and this will remain the case." So you can play 30k vs 40k, but 30k vs 30k is much more fun and fine tuned. That being said most players of 30k start off by using proxies and RoW PoL using their existing 40k SM as vets because you kit them out the same. So use your AM as SA to see if you like the play style and what not, don't think anyone will contest you using proxies. Do it and have fun man thats what 30k is all about fun not so much anything else. This is pure rubbish and only put out so the design team doesn't have to handle the mass of questions all the nerds would ask about mixing. This is a favorite thing for people to pull out to counter people mixing the two. There is no issues (game wise) in mixing and running 40k IG with a Legion in the Ally FOC. We have a guy In our group that does it all the time as a placeholder for a 30k IG list. There is even a comparable slot on the matrix to use. On the fluff side, there are millions of IG regiments very few look the same and have different gear...or at leas different patterns of the the same gear. It's your story, tell it how and with what you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizur Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Angron charged a Chimera in Betrayer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 This is pure rubbish and only put out so the design team doesn't have to handle the mass of questions all the nerds would ask about mixing. This is a favorite thing for people to pull out to counter people mixing the two. There is no issues (game wise) in mixing and running 40k IG with a Legion in the Ally FOC. We have a guy In our group that does it all the time as a placeholder for a 30k IG list. There is even a comparable slot on the matrix to use. On the fluff side, there are millions of IG regiments very few look the same and have different gear...or at leas different patterns of the the same gear. It's your story, tell it how and with what you want. Whoa take it down a notch. Rubbish? I was only delivering the FAQ, did you read the second part where I said do whatever and have fun. I completely agree with you on this In fact I play with a guy who uses C:SM and Ad Mech I am probably the last person to ever tell anyone not to have fun and play with the models they spent money on. So again I want to put it out there Play with what you want, people mentioned the Militia in book 5, it might be a good idea to hold out till then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Yes, rubbish. In my area at least, that little Q&A paragraph is thrown around like dollar bills at a stripper convention as why you can't use 30k in the 40k world. It's a simple statement that they don't want to answer the inevitable questions the community will ask...and then demand an entire supplement in how to add the heresy supplement to 40k. Unfortunately, parts of the community can't seem to use common sense and find a solution to rules issues and need papa GDUB to spoon feed the answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3964609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 This is pure rubbish and only put out so the design team doesn't have to handle the mass of questions all the nerds would ask about mixing. This is a favorite thing for people to pull out to counter people mixing the two. There is no issues (game wise) in mixing and running 40k IG with a Legion in the Ally FOC. We have a guy In our group that does it all the time as a placeholder for a 30k IG list. There is even a comparable slot on the matrix to use. On the fluff side, there are millions of IG regiments very few look the same and have different gear...or at leas different patterns of the the same gear. It's your story, tell it how and with what you want. Whoa take it down a notch. Rubbish? I was only delivering the FAQ, did you read the second part where I said do whatever and have fun. I completely agree with you on this In fact I play with a guy who uses C:SM and Ad Mech I am probably the last person to ever tell anyone not to have fun and play with the models they spent money on. So again I want to put it out there Play with what you want, people mentioned the Militia in book 5, it might be a good idea to hold out till then. I suppose it was a GW staffer who bought it up, and they are part of the main group running the little escalation thing going on, so may not have difficulties. Thinking of waiting for the main GW plastics release before starting 30K anyways. Angron charged a Chimera in Betrayer. Thanks, going through all the books would have done my head in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304055-mixing-40k-ig-with-30k-legions/#findComment-3965151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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