Raktra Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lol I can't unsee Mortarion talking in a Bane voice to Curze XD "Ohhh, you think exhaust fumes are your ally..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I like the idea of it being in his gorget, similar to the FW model. That way he can also share the fumes with those in his immediate vicinity. As stated above, the Blanche & Smith artworks could be interpreted either way (actual mask or in gorget). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 My theory was that FW wanted the faces of their Primarchs done (Night Haunter didn't receive a helmet for example), but at the Weekender I was told that Alpharius would most likely be wearing his helmet so there goes that idea. Personally, I really dislike him without the rebreather. I'm aware of the descriptions in the books, but the image is iconic for me from the artwork. Each to their own! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 My theory was that FW wanted the faces of their Primarchs done (Night Haunter didn't receive a helmet for example), but at the Weekender I was told that Alpharius would most likely be wearing his helmet so there goes that idea. Personally, I really dislike him without the rebreather. I'm aware of the descriptions in the books, but the image is iconic for me from the artwork. Each to their own! It would make sense for Alpharius to have a helmet though, seeing as the AL have the whole faceless anonymous thing going on. Is it Alpharius, is it Omegon, is it Brother Bob from chapter 12 C company? No-one knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 My theory was that FW wanted the faces of their Primarchs done (Night Haunter didn't receive a helmet for example), but at the Weekender I was told that Alpharius would most likely be wearing his helmet so there goes that idea. Personally, I really dislike him without the rebreather. I'm aware of the descriptions in the books, but the image is iconic for me from the artwork. Each to their own! It would make sense for Alpharius to have a helmet though, seeing as the AL have the whole faceless anonymous thing going on. Is it Alpharius, is it Omegon, is it Brother Bob from chapter 12 C company? No-one knows. It does, although showing a face hardly helps with that in all honesty with the Alpha Legion. The sketch in Extermination depicts him with a helmet anyway; I wasn't surprised, if anybody was going to have his face covered it was going to be him. Still feel that Night Haunter should have had at least an option for a helmet (but perhaps if he is one of the Primarchs they revisit, he will receive the option). Then again, I wish all of the Primarchs had helmet options! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 My theory was that FW wanted the faces of their Primarchs done (Night Haunter didn't receive a helmet for example), but at the Weekender I was told that Alpharius would most likely be wearing his helmet so there goes that idea. Personally, I really dislike him without the rebreather. I'm aware of the descriptions in the books, but the image is iconic for me from the artwork. Each to their own! It would make sense for Alpharius to have a helmet though, seeing as the AL have the whole faceless anonymous thing going on. Is it Alpharius, is it Omegon, is it Brother Bob from chapter 12 C company? No-one knows. It does, although showing a face hardly helps with that in all honesty with the Alpha Legion. The sketch in Extermination depicts him with a helmet anyway; I wasn't surprised, if anybody was going to have his face covered it was going to be him. Still feel that Night Haunter should have had at least an option for a helmet (but perhaps if he is one of the Primarchs they revisit, he will receive the option). Then again, I wish all of the Primarchs had helmet options! Truth, I want to see them release helmets for them all, even if they just hang at their belts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3967911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I thought he has something on his face: “Mortarion shook his pale head, and the tubes running from his archaic rebreather jangled against one another. ‘Stupid.” And “Mortarion smiled behind his mask, making his mottled cheeks crease.” And “Mortarion became agitated. He calmed down slowly, wheezing through his gas-shrouded mask.” “He drew closer, noticing for the first time the discolouration of the skin around the edge of his brother’s rebreather” All from "Scars" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/59851604.jpg I see it as it keep him 'alive' and 'pain free' before nurgle 'help's him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was a bit put off by them showing his full face (one which I don't find too appealing), so what I did is I just cut his head from the lower jaw down clean off. Now his head sits further down in his armor, the gorget covers up his mouth, and he looks more proper. Here's a pic of him while he was still WIP, you can see what I mean: http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0274_zps1bb05c6c.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Mortation's gasmask was not reteconned. Forge World, for some reason, just decided to make him without it. http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/product-pages/2015/21-01-bladesaw-ppage.jpg That's the image used for the cover art of Blades of the Traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And, of course, he could have had a selection of different breathing apparatus, and changed them from time to time, just like people today wear different shirts. The Primarchs' clothing and gear weren't welded to their bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think his rebreather is built into the chest piece of his armour. I dunno why they chose to do it that way though. Great sculptors like to sculpt faces. From all I've heard, it's one of the best ways of showing their skill, and they're very keen on doing it as often as they can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think his rebreather is built into the chest piece of his armour. I dunno why they chose to do it that way though. Great sculptors like to sculpt faces. From all I've heard, it's one of the best ways of showing their skill, and they're very keen on doing it as often as they can. Fair enough, I can definitely see why they'd want to, and it is cool to see the Primarchs with their faces, to put a face to a name kinda thing. I'd just always imagined Mortarion with the mask, so when the model came out without it it seemed a bit odd. And I do think it would be cool to see alternative helmeted heads for some of the Primarchs. I'd like to see the Khans lion face helmet that he wears in Scars when he faces Mortarion for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I think the cover of Mortarion's Heart has him in one (as Daemon-Primach). Other than that is it just fan art? At least he doesn't look like the original Epic model. "Though his gaunt features seemed perpetually lost in shadow an elaborate and archaeic rebreather mask pertruded from the lower part of his hood spouting plumes of noxious vapour with every hissing, rasping, breath." Literally the second line of his description in Mortarion's Heart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The fact it's pretty darn common (typical) for him to described/drawn as been pointed out very well by now :). In that I was very (very) wrong. However, I still think it's as daft as giving Sanguinius a jump pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The fact it's pretty darn common (typical) for him to described/drawn as been pointed out very well by now :). In that I was very (very) wrong. However, I still think it's as daft as giving Sanguinius a jump pack. How come you think it's so daft? Do you mean the concept of the Barbarus gas in general? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Because Mortarion can breathe extremely noxious fumes. He only needed a rebreather on Barbarus to reach the very heights and it rotted away pretty quickly there. Why wear a rebreather? I can understand the little vents that let him get a wiff of home but a full on mask? I can understand daemon-Mortarion having a mask that pumps out crazy Nurgle gas, which is the only thing he can breathe now. But when 'just' a Primarch? It would be like giving Vulkan flame-resistant underwear. But I'm fully aware that many of my wants and thoughts don't gel with (and sometimes directly conflict with) the 'real' fake universe. I'm cool with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I just don't really get your reasoning that a gorget spewing out noxious gas is fine but a mask doing the same thing is silly, haha. Just to me seems an odd place to draw the line ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Because I see having a mask as something he needs. Where as the gorget (and censors) are more like scented candles. And then it is also shared with others around. Basically I see the mask as a crutch to eliminate a weakness (I can't breathe without help). People wear masks because they are too weak to survive without them, that doesn't fit with me for a Primarch. If growing up on Barbarus had destroyed even a Primarch's lungs, and so he needed breathing help, then that would be 'ok' but would also go again the whole idea of the Death Guard being resistent to these sort of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3968962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Because I see having a mask as something he needs. Where as the gorget (and censors) are more like scented candles. And then it is also shared with others around. Basically I see the mask as a crutch to eliminate a weakness (I can't breathe without help). People wear masks because they are too weak to survive without them, that doesn't fit with me for a Primarch. If growing up on Barbarus had destroyed even a Primarch's lungs, and so he needed breathing help, then that would be 'ok' but would also go again the whole idea of the Death Guard being resistent to these sort of thing. Okay fair enough, I didn't mean to give the impression you were wrong for thinking it or anything, hope I didn't come across that way. Just personally whether it's a mask or a gorget doing it, it fulfils the same function so I wouldn't have drawn a line there but I can see your reasoning now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3969000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Because I see having a mask as something he needs. Where as the gorget (and censors) are more like scented candles. And then it is also shared with others around. Basically I see the mask as a crutch to eliminate a weakness (I can't breathe without help). People wear masks because they are too weak to survive without them, that doesn't fit with me for a Primarch. If growing up on Barbarus had destroyed even a Primarch's lungs, and so he needed breathing help, then that would be 'ok' but would also go again the whole idea of the Death Guard being resistent to these sort of thing. There were references to how his final ascent to (attempt) to fight his father stretched and beat even his legendary resilience, and how it left scars (both physical and mental) that would never heal. In my mind, this was always justification for the rebreather mask - that it wasn't growing up on Barbarus, but that he pushed past his own limits before he was saved by the Emperor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3969064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Personally I always thought it was because he had become so accustomed to breathing toxins that he didn't care for the absense of them. The same way I always imagine Vulkans flagship being kept swelteringly hot or Russ's at sub zero temperatures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3969105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 If the Primarch model of Sanguinius has fangs, will you guys be angry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3970187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I like to think of the mask as a variable 'pain glove' of sorts, it constantly feeds him deadly toxins and poisons to keep his immune system combating every form of bacterium know to humanity, only to strengthen his resolve and to act as a reminder as to what he had to endure, he only turns it off when going into battle to allow him to focus purely on battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3970191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 If the Primarch model of Sanguinius has fangs, will you guys be angry? Sad rather than angry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304199-mortarionno-mask/page/2/#findComment-3970242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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