Kingofmottinos Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ok, I know that most people think that the sicaran is better than the venator, and I agree with that. However, knowing that there's a high possibility that the opponent brings a spartan on the table, and having enough points to spend either on 2 sicarans or on a sicaran and a sicaran venator, would you still stick to 2 sicarans? I ask this because once the spartan is down, the sicaran can handle the other vehicles on board better than the venator, but would you use a heavy support slot and 190 points to buy a venator anyway in order to basically give hard time only to the spartan? I'm building my 2500 pt. list and I really don't know what should I do :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Do you have meltabombs in abundance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofmottinos Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Do you have meltabombs in abundance? Mmm nope, but I have a lot of lasers: this is the list Rite of war: Covenant of fire Spartan + Quad lascannons + Twin-linked heavy flamer + ceramite + flare + multi-melta + 360 5 Firedrakes + 5 thunder hammer + 5 shields 350 Praetor terminator cataphractii + master-crafted thunder hammer + dragonscale shield + mantle + digital laser 200 Primus medicae + terminator cataphractii + power weapon 110 Rhino 35 10 support squad + melta bombs 180 19 tacticals + melta bombs 245 Apothecary 45 19 tacticals + melta bombs 245 Apothecary 45 2 sicarian + lasers 350 Medusa 155 Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought + 2 twin-linked laser 185 Also, I don't think melta is the best option against a spartan, since it gets the ceramite :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yeah your fine, take 2 Sicarans! Meltabombs being armourbane and not melta so thats cool. More las than you can shake a stick at, soo yeah don't worry about his spartan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofmottinos Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yeah your fine, take 2 Sicarans! Meltabombs being armourbane and not melta so thats cool. More las than you can shake a stick at, soo yeah don't worry about his spartan. Oh I didn't know about that armourbane thing on the meltabombs, thanks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caustic63 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 If you are worried about enemy Spartans, a squad of five Chainfist Terminators in a Dreadclaw will massacre one when they get into combat by Turn 2. Declare that the vehicle is Zooming when you arrive by Deep Strike to avoid any counter charges from the guys inside the Spartan. I'd probably make them Cataphractii too so they are more resilient to counter attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofmottinos Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 If you are worried about enemy Spartans, a squad of five Chainfist Terminators in a Dreadclaw will massacre one when they get into combat by Turn 2. Declare that the vehicle is Zooming when you arrive by Deep Strike to avoid any counter charges from the guys inside the Spartan. I'd probably make them Cataphractii too so they are more resilient to counter attacks. Yeah I thought about that too, but with the covenant of fire rite of war I think I can't take any unit with the deep strike rule unfortunately :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanct Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 option c) 5 landspeeders with graviton guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3967840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I wouldn't rely on meltabombs to open up a Spartan unless it's a dedicated CC unit or a throwaway one, because whatever is inside will charge you. And whatever is inside a Spartan is going to be nasty. If I knew I was facing a Spartan I would take two Venators if I had them, don't give them sponsons its main weapon is ordnance. Deploy them on opposite sides to ensure side armor shots, IE not at a flare shield. If you are worried about enemy Spartans, a squad of five Chainfist Terminators in a Dreadclaw will massacre one when they get into combat by Turn 2. Declare that the vehicle is Zooming when you arrive by Deep Strike to avoid any counter charges from the guys inside the Spartan. I'd probably make them Cataphractii too so they are more resilient to counter attacks. It always comes down in Hover, last sentence of their Drop Pod Assault rule. option c) 5 landspeeders with graviton guns. If you could deepstrike with Covenant of Fire that would work. Otherwise they have a good chance at getting shot off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3968172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingofmottinos Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I wouldn't rely on meltabombs to open up a Spartan unless it's a dedicated CC unit or a throwaway one, because whatever is inside will charge you. And whatever is inside a Spartan is going to be nasty. If I knew I was facing a Spartan I would take two Venators if I had them, don't give them sponsons its main weapon is ordnance. Deploy them on opposite sides to ensure side armor shots, IE not at a flare shield. If you are worried about enemy Spartans, a squad of five Chainfist Terminators in a Dreadclaw will massacre one when they get into combat by Turn 2. Declare that the vehicle is Zooming when you arrive by Deep Strike to avoid any counter charges from the guys inside the Spartan. I'd probably make them Cataphractii too so they are more resilient to counter attacks. It always comes down in Hover, last sentence of their Drop Pod Assault rule. option c) 5 landspeeders with graviton guns. If you could deepstrike with Covenant of Fire that would work. Otherwise they have a good chance at getting shot off. Well, two venators seems a little excessive IMHO... I'd say one is good, but two I don't know... I just have the feeling that once the spartan is down, a sicaran could do better against other vehicles.. Anyway, I just found out that my list is illegal XD Covenant of fire doesn't allow more heavy supports than troops, so I need to change something. However this isn't the appropriate place to discuss about lists, so if you want to help me out on this matter you'll find me here http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304056-2500-salamander-not-a-crazy-list-like-the-previous-one-xd/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304224-sicaran-vs-venator-knowing-you-could-get-spartan-in-the-face/#findComment-3968276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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