tomsev Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 so how does it work on DTs, i always thought the transport was considered that if a DT was destroyed it gave up first blood, however i could not find a rule for reference... can anyone help me please... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Despite not occupying a FOC slot a DT is still a separate unit. You gain first blood when you destroy a unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 From First Blood we have "The first unit, of any kind, to be completely destroyed during the game is worth 1 Victory Point" Note is says "of any kind" Then from Eternal War: Purge the Alien under Primary Objective we have "Remember that Independent Characters and Dedicated Transports are individual units and award Victory Points if they are destroyed." [edit] And before anyone brings it up, Objectives are not Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I routinely give up that point with a Rhino or Razorback. Marines vs. Marines seems like an automatic VP to whoever shoots first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Kind of related... But what about units that never give up VPs for being destroyed. Do they give VPs for first blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 What units are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 What units are those? I don't know what currently exists in different codices (I can think of a few historically), but specifically I'm thinking of this rule. Living Bomb: Are non-scoring, non-denial units. Do not award Victory Points when destroyed, and do not count towards combat resolution. Obviously this rule refers to VPs from killing a unit. I was wondering if it would also apply to first blood. If so, would first blood be lost if a unit with rule was the first to be destroyed, or would it apply to the first unit without this rule to be destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 There is no condition attached to the spore mine clusters not awarding victory points when destroyed, so they always do that. To get First Blood you need to destroy the first unit. Spore Mine clusters are units, so if a spore mine cluster is the first unit that the enemy destroys, he gets First Blood but no one gets a victory point. Codex trumps rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 There is no condition attached to the spore mine clusters not awarding victory points when destroyed, so they always do that. To get First Blood you need to destroy the first unit. Spore Mine clusters are units, so if a spore mine cluster is the first unit that the enemy destroys, he gets First Blood but no one gets a victory point. Codex trumps rulebook. Many thanks :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Even lone-wolves still gave up points for first blood, even when they didn't give up victory points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdemayo Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I wish they'd replace First Blood with something else. It's almost alway just a victory point for going first. (Maybe it's meant to balance the advantage the other player gets for seizing VPS in the last turn.) Mostly it's just annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markham82 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I might be wrong but isn't first blood gained by the first unit that's destroyed regardless of how it happens, for example deepstrike misshap or blast scattering onto my unit in my own turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Not quite. First Blood is awarded to the player opposing the one whose unit that was destroyed first. The first unit, of any kind, to be completely destroyed during the game is worth 1 Victory Point to the opposing player at the end of the game.This rule is superseded by the rule that say that spore mine clusters do not grant VPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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