Contemptor Loadouts

[Marshal Reinhard]

The Contemptor is a very pricy platform to mount a heavy weapon on. As such I'm always a bit cautious of any weapon that is: readily availble on cheaper platforms, produce single or few shots or produce shots that have low strength and or high AP. The HCB does only produce a single shot, and works best at range, so I would probably give it another long range shooty weapon, to give him more shots from afar, and have him hang far back, preferably not moving much at all.

[Flint13]

^ But then you're really paying the premium for the Contemptor it's mounted on. 

 

If you're a fan of the heavy conversion beamers, the Predator is a much better choice of mount. Its 115pts compared to the Contemptor's 210, plus its quite a bit faster when/if you need to move it.

 

If its just going to sit at the back of the board, and with a HCB it will be, you really don't want to be paying for a close combat chassis that is priced to sweep big infantry units and punch tanks. 

[Gab]

Gonna go twin plasma cannon on my next Contemptor, just because I can and it will look cool.

[depthcharge12]

 

Thats just the standard Relic Contemptor.

Oh.... Shows how much I actually know about forgeworld models lol. I'll see myself out.

It's ok lol.

 

I just did a relic contemptor and added some DA bits to it to fluff it up a bit. I was going to originally take the DG one since it had barely any insignias and scratch off the numerals X and V to just leave the I for the first legion. I may still do that yet...

 

 

Has anyone run a Kheres and a plasma blaster fist? It seems like it would wreck house while allowing for cc.

[ThatOneMarshal]

Hmm so how do you guys use your contemptors?Do you run them in a talon and walk them up the field? Or do you drop pod them in? Is their any difference between contemptor dreadnoughts compared to regular 40k ones besides being able to run them in talons? Also am I the only one who wants a generic dread character who makes dreadnoughts troops? Dreads for the dread god mmmm.

[Slips]

If you buy them in a Talon they only deploy together; after that they can do w/e they want separate from eachother.

 

Between 40k and 30k; not really just that we have Graviton Gun Fist options (different from 40k Grav, mind you) and Volkite Culverin Arms.

 

You can already field 12+ Dreadnoughts in a single list using only your elites slots and if your EC or Salamanders can take Dread HQs; Rylanor and Cassian Dracos respectively. Iron Hands also make them Silly when taken with Ferrus since Contemptors are Av13 Front they gain IWND.

 

Thus, with Ferrus, they are: Av13 5/6++ IWND, Fleet (unless taken as a Mortis)

 

Then, for Anti-air, you fill your 3 Heavy Support slots with Deredeo Dreads (who also gain IWND from Ferrus) one of which you could give the Plasma Carronade and Pavise to give +1 Invulnerables if you really wanted to; ie making your Contemptors and the equipped Deredeo Av13 4/5++ IWND

 

All you'd have to do is pay a small tax of 2 minimum sized Tactical Squads and hide them somewhere and fill your HQs with Forgelords so you can run them beside the Dreads and Repair them if you really wanted to.

 

Or conversely take 2 Forgelords and 1 Praevian FOR EVEN MORE ROBOTS since the Preavian can take a Squad of Castellax as part of his unit.

 

Making them troops would up the Silly TO LUDICROUSLY HILARIOUS levels; pretty much doubling the amount you could take from 12 Contemptors (elites) and 3 Deredeos (heavy support) to 12 Contemptors (troops), 12 Contemptors (elites), 3 Deredeos (Heavy Support) accompanied with 2 Forgelord Consuls, A Praevian Consul (with castellax) and if you really wanted to uber silly things up take Ferrus Manus SO LITERALLY 99% of your list gains IWND for (technically) Free.

 

No, Dreadnoughts not being shifted to troops is a good thing.

 

Edit:

 

Example of what a list could look like. Disregarding points limits. (ie im too lazy)

 

Iron Hands:

 

HQ:

Forgelord, typical gubbins Maybe Jetbike equipped for T5 and Mobility

Forgelord, typical gubbins same

Preavian Consul, typical gubbins, 5 castellax buddies

 

Elites:

Contemptor Talon: 3 Dreads, Gear to taste

Contemptor Talon: 3 Dreads, as above

Contemptor Talon: 3 Dreads same

Contemptor Talon: 3 Dreads ^^^

 

Troops:

Tactical Squad: 10 men, Sarge Gear (or not at all), Rhino

Tactical Squad: as above

 

Heavy Support:

Deredeo Dreadnought, Autocannons, Missile Launcher

Deredeo Dreadnought, As above

Deredeo Dreadnought, As above OR with Plasma Carronade and Antomantic Pavise.

 

LoW:

Ferrus Manus

 

Fast Attack you could fill with Primaris Lightnings loaded with Phospex (anti horde) and/or Kraken Missiles (anti tank)

[infyrana]

Oh Slip... heck, I was almost about to go and make an order for more Contemptors reading your post... !! But I think I have more than enough dreads ^^

 

So extending the 'loadouts' question a bit ...  Is the Forge Lord a good addition to a Contemptor heavy list?

[Slips]

You would have to make a pretty big investment in making him as tough and durable as possible but, yes, one (or more) could be a good idea since they'd increase the longevity of your dreads barring them getting instagibbed. 

[ThatOneMarshal]

Slips I never knew that you could run that many dreads. I don't want dreads as troops now lol.

 

So I was thinking about infiltrating a talon with my terror squads using sevater. From what I've been told night lords are pretty weak against armor. What would you guys load them up with? Maybe take a Mortis instead for the kheres instead? I was thinking just giving them cc weapons and using them to help the terror squads in mele. Also I heard somewhere that dreads get bs 5. Is that right?

Slips I never knew that you could run that many dreads. I don't want dreads as troops now lol.

 

So I was thinking about infiltrating a talon with my terror squads using sevater. From what I've been told night lords are pretty weak against armor. What would you guys load them up with? Maybe take a Mortis instead for the kheres instead? I was thinking just giving them cc weapons and using them to help the terror squads in melee. Also I heard somewhere that dreads get bs 5. Is that right?

[Slips]

Taking a Mortis means 1 per slot for Skyfire/Interceptor; a role which a Deredeo and/or Fire Raptor would be better suited for using your only HS Slot (if using the RoW)

And you don't really want a Kheres Mortis as your only anti-air in the first place due to 24" range vs the 48" + of the other options.

If you want to really screw armor over, 2 Fists (or Chain Fists, not mix n'match so you get +1A) with Graviton Guns is decently scary for anything. S10 (armorbane with a CF) + 2 Haywire hits (per dread) is pretty much guaranteed damage.

Heavy Conversion Beamer isn't really worth it, imo, unless playing on a big table where you can put that S10 range to good use.

Kheres + Grav-Fist is a good option; 6 Rending Shots + 1 Haywire + S10 (with armorbane if CF) in CC

Multimeltas are still S8 Ap1; so while Armored Ceramite does significantly reduce their effectiveness they still deal respectable damage and can double-out FNP'd T4 Units (not that your want to shoot at them in the first place).

Culverins are purely anti-horde or anti Av12 and weaker due to S6 Heavy 4. Deflagrate is only useful on things without an Av.

Lascannons are Lascannons. Low Volume of Fire but its Twin-Linked.

Autocannons are autocannons. Lower S and Ap but more shots and is also Twin-Linked. Also cheaper.

In-hand options are: Plasma Blasters (Assault 2 18" Plasma guns), Heavy Flamers, Graviton Guns (3" Blast that causes difficult/dangerous terrrain and Haywire + S test to cause wounds) and TL Bolter (dont take it if you can help it )

Edit: Also, yes, Contemptors are BS5.

Oh, almost forgot. In the previous thought experiment of Spamming the everloving crap out of Contemptors, you can also give EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE a Havoc Missile Launcher.

...Let that sink in.

[Skalpynock]

Slips, I tried to see how much money it would cost to build your list, considering the fact that I already own a 10-men tactical squad. 1,572€. 1119£. And that's before seeing your post about Havoc launchers, and forgetting the tacticals' rides.

[Flint13]

It is a teeny  bit depressing how obsolete the Deredeo makes the mortis-contemptors now though. :(

 

That being said, Slip's dreadnought slumber party list is amazing and I have to try it at least once before I die :D

[helterskelter]

Well it doesn't quite, you can still have a bit more flavour with the Mortis and in the precious heavy slot the terror list allows NL, sometimes it may be more beneficial to take a mortis or 2 in elites over Eddy.

[Raktra]

Ah but there's things (for me) that Mortis does that the Deredeo can't.

1- Lascannons

2- Doesn't screw with my HS slots

3- Handsomeness

[Spinsanity]

I think a dreadmob could benefit from a PotL list; fielding termies instead of tacticals could further dillute your opponents' target options, termi killers usually being the same guns that are good at destroying dreads...

[Slips]

Hmm good point onthe Pride of the Legion; cant Iron Hands upgrade their Preators into a Forgelord type deal too?

 

Only 1.2k£? I know what to star saving up for :p though i might not run it as Iron Hands because army-wide IWND and 2+ units that can repair them wouldnt seem all that fair hahaha especially with Ferrus who can repair on a 3+ AND smash face.

 

Points wise, did anyone try to tally this up? I know from previous list building that a contemptor talon can run ~500-600 points so thats at most 2.4k right there coupled with 3 Eddies at minimum 220 each for 660, that brings the total up to ~3k. Barebones tac squads in rhinos are 200 each if we account for sarge gear, 185 if none.

 

3.4k at this point. 2 Forgelords on bikes and gear would cost ~150, imo and Preavian would be 120 with 5 castellas being ~400 points iirc? So, what? 4.2k total or thereabouts adding in Ferrus at 455 would be 4.6/7k points add in some Primaris Lightnings and you should be up to 5k at that point.

 

Considering what one might be able to normally field at+/- 5k points, the Dreadmob could be super effective or as hard hitting as a limp wet noodle.

 

Uber flavorful and possibly the most elite / points dense force out there while still being FoC legal; having only 38 models or up to 42 with Primaris-lightnings.

 

If you have 1k£ to spare and want to make this a reality, go for it. If you dont, start slow. One dread here, one dread there...it adds up.

[Memento Of Prospero]

It is a teeny bit depressing how obsolete the Deredeo makes the mortis-contemptors now though.

That being said, Slip's dreadnought slumber party list is amazing and I have to try it at least once before I die

Considering how overcrowded the heavy support slots then to be in shooty armies, it really doesn't.

[Flint13]

Ah but there's things (for me) that Mortis does that the Deredeo can't.

1- Lascannons

2- Doesn't screw with my HS slots

3- Handsomeness

 

That is a good point! Dual twin-lascannons are hella nasty. Plus they can actually blow up vehicles on a penetrating hit where as the Anvilus cannot. I'm not 100% on the numbers behind which is more effective against armor 13 and below, 2 Str9 shots or 4 Str8 sundering shots... but it feels like the lascannons will prolly win out. 

[Carlson793]

You can already field 12+ Dreadnoughts in a single list using only your elites slots and if your EC or Salamanders can take Dread HQs; Rylanor and Cassian Dracos respectively. Iron Hands also make them Silly when taken with Ferrus since Contemptors are Av13 Front they gain IWND.

Don't forget Nomus Rhy'tan of the Salamanders, Slips - he let's you take a talon of Dreads as an 'honour guard/command squad', giving the XVIII^th a potential 19 dread army.

[Moonstalker]

It is a teeny bit depressing how obsolete the Deredeo makes the mortis-contemptors now though.

That being said, Slip's dreadnought slumber party list is amazing and I have to try it at least once before I die

Considering how overcrowded the heavy support slots then to be in shooty armies, it really doesn't.

This is my feeling, as well. The Deredeo is easily better than the Contemptor-Mortis in a straight-up comparison, but it's easier to spare the Elites slot for the CM than it is the HS for the Deredeo. Which means you need to start asking yourself things like, "Would I rather have a Deredeo and Quad Mortar Rapiers or a Contemptor-Mortis and a Sicaran." Or something similar.

[Slips]

You can already field 12+ Dreadnoughts in a single list using only your elites slots and if your EC or Salamanders can take Dread HQs; Rylanor and Cassian Dracos respectively. Iron Hands also make them Silly when taken with Ferrus since Contemptors are Av13 Front they gain IWND.

Don't forget Nomus Rhy'tan of the Salamanders, Slips - he let's you take a talon of Dreads as an 'honour guard/command squad', giving the XVIII^th a potential 19 dread army.

Sure, for a Salamanders Dreadmob Army you could have 1 HQ be Cassian (for another Dread - with Av14 to boot) and Rhy'tan be the other for MORE DREADNOUGHTS.

Upping your total to 19 Dreadnoughts; One having Av14 (Cassian). Sadly, Vulkan doesn't make Av13+ Vehicles tougher by giving them IWND like Ferrus nor can he, afaik, repair them during the course of the game.

So on the one hand: you have Iron Hands DreadMob that makes them that much tougher and you can use pretty much all your HQ slots and LoW on characters that can run around Repairing them.

On the other hand: you have Salamanders who can field EVEN MORE DREADNOUGHTS; up to 4 more to be precise.

It is a teeny bit depressing how obsolete the Deredeo makes the mortis-contemptors now though.

That being said, Slip's dreadnought slumber party list is amazing and I have to try it at least once before I die

Considering how overcrowded the heavy support slots then to be in shooty armies, it really doesn't.

This is my feeling, as well. The Deredeo is easily better than the Contemptor-Mortis in a straight-up comparison, but it's easier to spare the Elites slot for the CM than it is the HS for the Deredeo. Which means you need to start asking yourself things like, "Would I rather have a Deredeo and Quad Mortar Rapiers or a Contemptor-Mortis and a Sicaran." Or something similar.

I think this is a good thing tbh. The most contested slots I've found have been Elites and Heavy Support (depending on legion but the variance ins't so great) It makes you have weigh your options better and see which would fit your situation more.

[depthcharge12]

What's so nice about havoc launchers? They never made an impact on me at S5 AP5 blast for it's point cost.

 

If you could take the cyclone launcher then it would be a good choice.

[Slips]

What's so nice about havoc launchers? They never made an impact on me at S5 AP5 blast for it's point cost.

 

If you could take the cyclone launcher then it would be a good choice.

If only.

 

But, drowning infantry blobs in them wouldn't be such a bad thing.

[Flint13]

I did always think it was odd that the SM contemptor got a cyclone launcher while the heresy version got stuck with the havok. I mean, there are entire squads of terminators with cyclone launchers in the IV legion.

 

*sigh* maybe if havoks were still 2 shots each.

[ThatOneMarshal]

I like to think of havoc launchers the same way I think of lasguns. One is going to jack unless you get lucky. 50 of them is probalby going to do a lot of damage. you have 12 havoc launchers even terminators start to feel the heat.