Median Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 As mentioned in a previous post i'm in a league. Unfortunately the lure of chaos has become too strong and my loyalist guard have slipping into the loving grip of Pappa Nugle. A little background on the league, its 2550 point (so some real big armies), no armies can be unbound, anything recognised my GW and forgeworld is accepted so apoc formations etc are fine to use. There are some very good players and some cheesy armies <cough> tau <cough> Eldar . So i decided to try and make a really hard to kill army that would make my opponent breakdown and cry when they look at it and spectators laugh when they see it. So here is my list....thanks go out to our father Pappa Nugle. This is using The Purge formation from Siege of Vraks HQ Renegade Command Squad, Covenant of Nugle, Ordanance Tyrant Troops 6 Units of 40 plage zombies 2 heavy quad launchers and 3 extra crew each 1 heavy mortar with 3 extra crew each Elite Medusa with bastion breacher shells Medusa with bastion breacher shells Medusa with bastion breacher shells Medusa with bastion breacher shells Wyvern Wyvern Heavy Vanquisher co ax heavy stubber, milita training, las cannon, multi meltas exterminator milita training, las cannon, multimeltas Executioner, milita training, las cannon, multimeltas Lord of War Baneblade, militia training Fortification Aegis Defense line with quad gun If my maths work out correctly then it comes to 2550 points The general idea is to have so many bodies it stops any deep striking around me and hopefully all the tanks out of melta range. The defense line is to give some cover saves for the tanks and artillery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 General thoughts, assuming you haven't bought everything yet: -you probably only need, and can fit, 5 units of 40x zombies -spam rapier laser destroyers with extra crew and the upgrade -consider a bastion with quad gun and void shields to hide your ordnance tyrant and to extend the bubble -get more wyverns, always more wyverns (and put them near your tyrant). -consider deep striking 5-man vet squads with a melta gun and a melta bomb in the squads to grab objectives and threaten backline vehicles -if you are really willing to get and build that many zombies (I recommend the mantic packs), consider taking an allied detachment of necrosius, 10 cultists, and maybe 1 heavy or fast attack from the CSM book. You could take a Combined Arms with Necrosius and a sorceror/warpsmith so that you can take 2 sicarians and a fire raptor or something (good bye, wave serpents). You could also swap Necrosius for Zhufor so long as you are not fielding a The Purge detachment...Zhufor in a mass of zombies will wreck anything with his str 10 powerfist and +2 attack ap4 axe. -consider ditching all your tanks and baneblade for a Brass Scorpion + some tough, fast vehicle that can move up alongside or behind the scorpion with the IA13 upgrade to give the Brass Scorp a 4++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3972990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Thanks for the reply, all the models are from my guard except for the quad guns which I'll be scratch building. For the zombies i was gonna use any models that I've got and say they have been recently infected. Hadn't really considered allies but its something that is definitely something to look at and consider. I'll have to pick up the csm dex :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Cool list! I agree with dropping the Heavy slot tanks in favor of rapiers, or at least switching the exterminator for a second vanquisher for target saturation. Does the SoV book remove the 0-1 limit on plague zombies? Otherwise you're limited to one squad no matter what. Most importantly: Post pictures of your army and let us know how the battles go! Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Yeah that reminds me - the only way to take more than 1 Zombie squad is to have Necrosius as your Warlord in a CSM primary detachment, and then you can't take an Arch Demagogue with a Devotion (thanks for nothing, Forgeworld....). You could do something like: CSM - The Purged Necrosius 2x Mutilators or 2x Plague Marine Squad 5x or 6x Zombie Mob units Fire Raptor (any other CSM heavy or fast attack) Bastion with quad gun, void shields Renegades - The Purged Command Squad, autocannon 2x Marauder squads with 2x melta guns and 1x melta bombs, outflanking 4 heavy slots for wyverns and other artillery Baneblade, militia training Aegis Defense line with quad gun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 In the new sov book there isn't a limit to the number of units of plague zombies, I did have to double check on the actual entry for the zombies. The devotion of nurgle let's you take 1 unit of drones (which it confirms on the drones page the fact you have to have the devotion and then the numbers 0 to 1) but it has no limit shown in the entry for zombies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 In IA13, the text on the devotion of Nurgle is "Army may include a single unit of blight drones ... and/or a single unit of Plague Zombies as a Troop choice." The unit entry itself does not imply a limit though. (May the dark gods curse them with nasty tentacles for how this book is designed) Can you check that entry? And you can always switch 5 of your 6 squads of zombies for Mutant Rabble. They're not as good, but still very tarpitty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'll check the entry when I get home and give ya an update :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 ok so the wording for the Covenant of Nurgle is as follows "Covenant of Nurgle - The army may include 0-1 unit of Blight Drones as an Elite choice and Plague Zombie units as Troops choices" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Yeah so you would need CSM with Necrosius. In other news, I caved and spent another $45 to get 3 mantic forgefather cannons and get them shipped to me from the UK ($5 shipping is not bad though). Pricey but not nearly as bad as the FW rapiers! Now I will have 12 laser rapiers and 4 wyverns for my The Purge / Ordnance Tyrant detachment Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 ok so the wording for the Covenant of Nurgle is as follows "Covenant of Nurgle - The army may include 0-1 unit of Blight Drones as an Elite choice and Plague Zombie units as Troops choices" Thats interesting that it doesn't specify the "single unit" like IA13. I'm not sure if thats a typo or not, everything esle seems to be just cut and paste. It probably is...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hmmmmm this is interesting. I have been toying with a similar idea but no tanks and just lots of artillery and zombies. I have been led to believe that there was still an 0-1 limit on them. If this is not the case then that makes me wiling to actually buy the Vraks book. So does it seem that we can indeed take more than one unit again? It would make sense as you could with the previous burgle renegades list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Whoa...yeah, I just looked at them both. Seems to me that you can take more than 1 Zombie unit, and that this is intentional. As further evidence: the Plague Zombies are called different things. In IA:13 it is "Plague Zombie Horde" and in Vraks it is "Plague Zombie mob." Consider what Forgeworld sent me in the FAQ: "A Devotion confers the noted benefits on any units of the correct title and Faction across the whole army. For example, if an army includes a Combined Arms detachment and an Allied Detachment, both of which are chosen from the Renegades & Heretics army list, and its Warlord has taken the Bloody-handed Tyrant Devotion, then Renegade Infantry Platoons (for example) MUST purchase the Militia training upgrade and MAY take the flak armour upgrade." I am unclear how this works if one detachment is the Vraksian Renegades and another is the Renegades and Heretics. Two different army lists, but the same faction. I guess the Covenant would work for both, but the Renegade and Heretics could still only take 0-1 Zombie Horde whereas the Vraksian detachments can then take as many Zombie Mobs as they want. 10 Fearless, 4+ FNP models are pretty good for slightly more than a powerfist...and in a Combined Arms detachment, they are also Objective Secured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think I'm agreeing with you Lagrath. CoN on a warlord from either faction allows 0-1 Zombie Horde and any number of Zombie Mobs if both lists are used. That's what they've led us to beleive from that FAQ. If you gentlemen will excuse me, I'm off to order SoV and ~200 Mantic zombies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I just made a Mantic order earlier today. Partly kicking myself for not getting zombies suddenly. Then again, I am already out of control with the 100 Krieg dudes, so maybe forcing myself to stick with my current models is a good thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think I'm agreeing with you Lagrath. CoN on a warlord from either faction allows 0-1 Zombie Horde and any number of Zombie Mobs if both lists are used. That's what they've led us to beleive from that FAQ. If you gentlemen will excuse me, I'm off to order SoV and ~200 Mantic zombies Really, Vrak 2nd edition can take unlimited plague zombies? I guess its time to order the book :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think I'm agreeing with you Lagrath. CoN on a warlord from either faction allows 0-1 Zombie Horde and any number of Zombie Mobs if both lists are used. That's what they've led us to beleive from that FAQ. If you gentlemen will excuse me, I'm off to order SoV and ~200 Mantic zombies Damn, looks like I'll need to get the book now then. And the 150 Mantic zomvies I have are gonna need some more friends too I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think I'm agreeing with you Lagrath. CoN on a warlord from either faction allows 0-1 Zombie Horde and any number of Zombie Mobs if both lists are used. That's what they've led us to beleive from that FAQ. If you gentlemen will excuse me, I'm off to order SoV and ~200 Mantic zombies Damn, looks like I'll need to get the book now then. And the 150 Mantic zomvies I have are gonna need some more friends too I think. Combined Arms Detachment Necrosius Sorcerer, lvl 2, spell familiar 20 Cultists 200 Plague Zombies (objective secured +4 FNP fearless wubwubwub) Fire Raptor, balefire missiles, autocannons, malefic ammunition Fire Raptor, balefire missiles, autocannons, malefic ammunition Fire Raptor, balefire missiles, autocannons, malefic ammunition Bastion, comms relay, void shield 1850/1850 The funny part is that this army would absolutely dominate any of the top-tier meta armies right now, haha. Flyrants, Knights, Bikers, Thunderwolves, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Bwahahaha its all falling into place...finally zombies will rule the universe <cough> sorry about that. Looks like I need to do a mantic order then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3973986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Since they have different unit names, we're sure that they're the same right? Fearless and FNP4+ being the most relevant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3974305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 The sov zombies have FnP 4+, fearless, slow and purposeful and warp plague. If that helps any. :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304458-renegade-list-for-up-coming-league/#findComment-3974332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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