Sub orbital styrike wing

[sedobren]

What can be a sub orbital strike wing lord of war choice can be composed of? can i, for example, deploy 2 avenger strike fighters as this choice with a legion space marines army?

[Hesh Kadesh]

Please see my signature, it should be able to help you what are the legal Lord of War options, including the Sub Orbital Strike Wing

 

They must be of the same 'type' but I think this has been a mistype and intended as the same unit.

[sedobren]

So basically i can play the aereonautica imperialis version of the avenger, but not the adeptus mechanicus one (even though they are the same) right?

[Moonstalker]

Actually, you may not use the Aeronautica Imperialis version of the Avenger because a Heresy-era equivalent exists.  Unlike Engine of Destruction or War Machine Detachment, Sub Orbital Strike Wing does not specify that you must choose your LoW from the same list as your primary detachment, so you are free to support your Legion (or SA) with Legion, Ad Mech, Imperial Army (Guard), or SA flyers.

[Hesh Kadesh]

The AdMech one is an AdMech specific unit only option. You cannot use that, in much the same way that you cannot take Codex Harlequin Quins for an elite choice in a dark eldar army rather than DE's. However you can use units from the IA books which aren't upgraded. They don't have the same name, hence why Vulture Squadrons are seperate from D99 Vulture Squadrons in the list.

Edit; kitwuofen is incorrect

 

The Imperial Avenger Strike Fighter is a different unit from the Avenger Strike Fighter or Avenger you can get from IA;Aero or IA;3(2e) Respectively. It's similar, but different enough in rules parlance.

[Moonstalker]

As the name of the Aeronatlutica unit is the same as the one in IA3 2e and cane out second, I'd say that one takes precedence technically and hence why i've not included it in the list for IA;Aero units. But yes.

 

The AdMech one is an AdMech specific unit only option. You cannot use that, in much the same way that you cannot take Codex Harlequin Quins for an elite choice in a dark eldar army rather than DE's. However you can use units from the IA books which aren't upgraded. They don't have the same name, hence why Vulture Squadrons are seperate from D99 Vulture Squadrons in the list.

 

Edit; kitwuofen is incorrect

 

I am not.

 

1. Please reread LACAL page 8.  The different LoW choices indicate whether or not they must be chosen from the same army list as the primary detachment or not.  Sub Orbital Strike wings do not require that their units be chosen from the same list as the primary detachment.

 

2. Betrayal page 272, the Avenger specifically makes itself available as a LoW choice to Traitor/Loyalist forces and (per page 277) a Fast Attack choice for an Ordo Reductor force.

[Hesh Kadesh]

 

As the name of the Aeronatlutica unit is the same as the one in IA3 2e and cane out second, I'd say that one takes precedence technically and hence why i've not included it in the list for IA;Aero units. But yes.

 

The AdMech one is an AdMech specific unit only option. You cannot use that, in much the same way that you cannot take Codex Harlequin Quins for an elite choice in a dark eldar army rather than DE's. However you can use units from the IA books which aren't upgraded. They don't have the same name, hence why Vulture Squadrons are seperate from D99 Vulture Squadrons in the list.

 

Edit; kitwuofen is incorrect

 

I am not.

 

1. Please reread LACAL page 8.  The different LoW choices indicate whether or not they must be chosen from the same army list as the primary detachment or not.  Sub Orbital Strike wings do not require that their units be chosen from the same list as the primary detachment.

 

2. Betrayal page 272, the Avenger specifically makes itself available as a LoW choice to Traitor/Loyalist forces and (per page 277) a Fast Attack choice for an Ordo Reductor force.

 

You are, sorry.

 

1) Reread LACAL pg8. 

 

"Availability; available to an army based upon the specific Force Organization Chart being used... ...Lords of War are only available to an armies primary detachment."

Sub-orbital Strike wing; makes no mention of being able to choose flyers from a different faction. This means it follows normal Force Organization chart rules (see page 9; "When selecting your army for a [bitAoD] game you use your chosen army list...").

Page 9; "it is perfectly acceptable to use specific Imperial [sH] vehicles and Flyers units from [FW's] wider [iA] range such as [iA;Apoc] or [iA;Aero] which do not have already have an era specific counterpart listed in a Horus Heresy supplement."

 

Now; define "counterpart". Does this mean that Legions cannot take Shadowswords? We've already seen them with Shadowswords in Know No Fear, for example. However, they've been updated in HH4 for Solar Auxilia which prevents their use by Legions; yet FW have answered an email and said that Legions can take Shadowswords (using the rules in IA;1(2e), rather than those in HH4, obviously).

 

At the same time, allowing this means that Grey Knight Thunderhawks would be allowed because they have a different name from Legion Thunderhawks.

 

So, considering that there is a difference in name;

 

Imperial Avenger Strike Fighter (HH;1, HH:2) chosen on its own for Ordo Reductor or as part of the Crusade Fleet Support Wing (Legio Cybernetica/Taghmata Omnissiah).

is different to

Avenger Strike Fighter (IA:Aero) or Avenger (IA;3(2e)).

 

The IA;Aero allows Hellfury missiles and distinctive paint scheme/markings as well as Illum Flares making them different to the IASF.

 

As I and FW's help monkeys read the rule, if it's got a different name (and they do, because adding Legion in front of something makes it different") then that results in a different unit. 

 

If the IASF was called the ASF or Avenger, then that would be the updated version, but it's not.

[Moonstalker]

In the Lords of War section of LACAL, each of the LoW types generally lists that it must be taken from the same army list as the primary detachment.  However, the Sub Orbital Strike Wing option lacks this limitation.  Does this mean that I could, for instance, have 2 Solar Auxilia Thunderbolts providing Combat Air Patrol for a Legiones Astartes force?  Or, vice-versa, a flight of Primaris Lightnings (with Astartes pilots) providing CAP for a purely SA force?

 

Or is the Sub Orbital Strike Wing supposed to be limited, like the other choices, to units already available to the force's primary detachment?

 

Thank you for your time.

 

-*****

 

 

Hi,

         Thank you for your email.  You are correct, the flyers can be from any list, they do not have to be from the main detachment list.

 

 

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I think they're getting sick of my emails, they keep telling me to telephone them instead.

[sedobren]

That's good news, thanks guys

[Brother Aiwass]

Threadomancy here.

 

Wondering how this LoW works while taking 3 dreadclaws as a sub orbital strike wing. Would all of they arrive at turn 1?

[Brother Aiwass]

Well...

 

[Hesh Kadesh]

Each Dreadclaw is an individual unit, not a Squadron.

[Brother Aiwass]

Yes, but the LoW says 1-3 flayers of the same type, it doesn't talk about they need to be a squadron right?

[Slips]

Its like a Warmachine Detachment or Dreadnought Talon (minus the deploying bit). You can take up to 3 Choices for a single slot.

 

Thats it. No other restrictions.

 

They aren't a Squadron and they aren't forced to deploy together.

[Caillum]

Definitely a little complicated, but this should be how to play it...

 

The most recent rules for a Sub-Orbital Strike Wing are in the 'Mechanicum Taghmata Army List' on page 21, as quoted here:

1-3 Flyers with up to 3 Hull Points each and of the same type or a single Flyer of 4 Hull Points or more or a single Super-heavy Flyer may be chosen to represent a sub-orbitally launched strike force of fighters or bombers during Horus Heresy games. This wing of Flyers arrives from Reserves as a single unit. They must enter play within 6" of the same chosen point on the table edge, but are treated as separate models during the course of the game.

 

So, with regards to Dreadclaws, a Sub-Orbital Strike Wing allows you to take 3, and they arrive from Reserves as a SINGLE UNIT.

 

The most recent rules for Drop Pod Assault are in 'Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Legions' on page 82. The pertinent part is quoted here:

A Dreadclaw, and any unit it transports, must always be held in Reserve and always enters play using the Deep Strike rules, and counts as a Drop Pod for the wider use of the Drop Pod Assault rule for the army. At the beginning of the controlling player's first player turn, they must choose half of their Drop Pod units (rounding up) to make a Drop Pod Assault. These units arrive on their controlling player's first turn...

 

This means that half of their Drop Pod UNITS are selected, and a wing of Dreadclaws counts as 1 unit. They arrive via Deep Strike on Turn 1, and given they can't "enter play within 6" of the same chosen point on the table edge", I would say you do this:

- place 1 Dreadclaw where you want it to arrive,

- roll for scatter as per the Deep Strike rules (or not at all if near a nuncio-vox/Damocles),

- place the other 2 Dreadclaws within 6" of the 1st Dreadclaw's final position, rather than in base contact.

 

This uses your entire Lords of War slot and costs 300 points. Seen as though Dreadclaws can be taken in Fast Attack slots or as Dedicated Transports for a variety of units, the cost of this Alpha Strike is fairly balanced really.