Crimson Knights Legion Secessionist chapter

[Sete]

Hello Fellow brothers.

I, yet again, am looking to make a project that hopefully I will see trough.

I plan to make a secessionist SM chapter supported by AM.

This small, lets not call it Empire, but safe haven, will throw out the ecllesiary, and try to remake the star sistem into the original view of the Emperor, no gods, just science and reason.

For that ofc they will need supply and manpower. Im not a fan of the IG mass murder, so im thinking of using the Tau codex for infantry, since they are a bit more tatical.

Now ofc that brings us to the weapons. Pulse rifles are way better than the lasguns. How feasible is to have a new lasgun production or maybe some converted Tau tech? Also my small liberated area will be on the east of the galaxy so I can face Tau and nids aswell. And my SM force will use SW Champions of Fenris rules.

[TDF]

A lost cache pre-Heresy stuff, including lots of volkite weaponry? Could also be where the Chapter and Mechanicus discovered accounts of the Emperor's atheist Imperial Truth.

[Sete]

Hmmm... Yeah lets say they sumbled on a space hulk and while looking relics they happen to stumble on designs for a new experimental weapon from pre heresy and The Old Imperial Truth.

Yes... Also considering the fact that the Golden Throne is failing and the extinction of the human race might be close by if the Emperor finnaly dies opening a new eye of terror at Terra, my chapter master will try to assure the survival of the Human race just in case.

[Olis]

If your chapter wishes to secede from the Imperium, and has AdMech support, then I would gather that the AdMech will have a good reason why. Do they have a good reason to risk civil war?

 

There's also the small issue of the Imperium looking unkindly upon secessionists. Your chapter will be besieged very soon indeed should they decide that the Imperium isn't for them...

[Lysimachus]

Mmm, it's not likely that the AdMech as a whole would risk supporting such a Chapter, openly going against another powerhouse group like the Ecclesiarchy would almost certainly escalate into a full on galactic civil war (HH style) and most of the big Imperial organisations are just as happy to maintain the status quo.

 

Not to say that the Chapter couldn't have the (perhaps quiet/under the table) support of their local Forgeworld?

 

 

Edit: Even if they do have some kind of back-up, I totally agree with Olis that they won't last long. The Imperium doesn't suffer disruptive elements lightly, and if they decide you're worth the effort, you get steamrollered pretty fast.

[Sete]

Im thinking upon those possibilities.

There are fleet based chapters that have forge ships am I right?

I dont count on admech support, nor will include them as a faction to help.

Now they wont outright state that they are going their own way, but will be quietly building forces and fortifications, and starting to "convert" the population to their view Imperial Truth.

Lets start with a small backwater planet, population almost free of taint and mutations maybe?

I dont intend to go with a full sistem, gonna start small.

So a insignificant planet might go unoticed longer?

Maybe some information manipulation? I plan to have my chapter to be a bit sneaky , hence using SW so I can use Scouts as Elite.

[Olis]

Quick question: How did this chapter learn of the Imperial Truth? 

[Sete]

Quick question: How did this chapter learn of the Imperial Truth?

Hmm I was thinking transcripts found on a space hulk or in the same backwater planet brought under compliance pre heresy.

Ofc my chapter will eventually start legion building to bolster defences.

I intend to make a story line as I play here in my area.Could end up conquering the star sistem or retreating to the malestrom. Also since my chapter will value progress I dont think admech would be buddies with me.

[Conn Eremon]

Did Chapters ever "lose" the Imperial Truth? Most seem to follow it already, and the reasons given are usually that they never stopped. Indeed, it's considered unusual for a Chapter to accept the Creed over the Truth.

 

So it really becomes a question of what did they find, that would cause the Chapter to begin converting mortals to this line of thought?

 

And in addition, is it worth censure by the Ecclesiarchy? They have always allowed Chapters to hold their own cults, to follow the Truth over the Creed, because to stand opposed to the whole Adeptus would destroy the Imperium through civil war. But a lone chapter overstepping its bounds would seem like a prime target to make a point that their tolerance only goes so far.

 

I am curious about their knowledge of the Golden Throne's current status. It doesn't seem like information a Chapter Master would be privileged to know.

[Olis]

As this seems to be a discussion more appropriate for a separate thread, I have calved off this current series of posts into a new topic.

 

Now then, why have these records, found on a space hulk, become the accepted philosophy of the Chapter? How and why did the old Imperial Truth supplant the Chapter's previous dogma?

 

 

Edit - Hmm. It seems either me or Conn is missing a trick here. I think it may be me. I'll be right back...

[Sete]

Good questions all around.

Ye space marines already dont believe in the divinity of the emperor. Kinda forgot that. :)

But the average joe still worships the Emperor.

Lets say that the chapter master upon stumbling on these records and seeing that the current state of the Imperium goes against everything the Emperor designed is kinda pissed off and considers the Imperium as corrupt and a failure.

I supose the CM would have acess to the reports of the Golden throne failing, or at least the increasing number of ships disapering into the warp would point to some problem, being that the last drop forcing him to take action.

Or this small sistem could have disappeared from records and the chapter upon finding it decides to go "missing".

Then its easier to explain why the Imperium does not steamroll them.

[Conn Eremon]

Oh, go with the last one. That is interesting, that the Chapter sees this going on and comes to conclusion, absent of all other evidence for or against, that the Astronomicon is weakening, and therefore the Emperor is dying.

 

About faith, what does the records show that makes the Chapter go for conversion of mortals? They already knew that, presumably, so what made this record so special? They essentially discover evidence of a truth they already know, and then use it as a rallying cry to effect change.

[Sete]

There are theories around that when the Emperor dies a new eye of Terror will form at Terra, kinda like the eldar Fall. This could bring a new age of darkness to the galaxy.

The chapter command surely knows about the warp and daemons, and what fuels them into existence.

They go for this course of action as to have a human seed world, free of Religious dogma to begin a new crusade bringing a new age to the galaxy. History repeats itself. Kinda grand I know.

[Chronotonic]

It could be that the region does not have any real "miracles" per-say and thus the religious nuts do not have a big presence.

 

But seeing that it is an access point for the tau you need a marine chapter there for security reasons.

 

This would also give you a resources point of view as well and the AdMec would then have a presence.

 

But you would still have to play off the ecclesiarchy, so lets say after a few centuries after they were created they came across a space hulk with the AdMec cleansed and purged the alien etc etc etc.  Found a few STC for weapons and a ship from before the HH.

 

On that Rouge Trader ship they found documents in perfect condition explaining what they were sent out to do, along side some Ultramarines that were dead from Orks or something from the hulk and overrun.  Those Ultramarines had allies of the Custodes with all their own records explaining they were expedtion fleet 22X bla bla bla and how their records the ship was lost to the warp and the humans on the ship were slowly turning to chaos in certain parts and the last record is the Custode in charge was explaining to the Smurf Captain/whatever rank how the howling massing would be attacking the next day and that the damned religious thing had never taken of praying to the Emperor then this would have never happened and blames the Smurf for what happened...

 

of course last entry...they never make another one...

 

then have a few others from the Rouge Trader Captain slowly going crazy as he is locked on the bridge and cannot leave without being torn apart by the chaos outside the door...and the scratching oh my gawd the scratching through the bulkheads...

 

They take this information to the Chapter Master and Lead AdMec and they come to the conclusion that the esslesiarchy has to be removed to save the people in their area and they slowly remove them with "accidents" and "sniper fire" that the marines come in to save the day from the unrest but have no time to save the esslesiarchy who are all found dead.

 

This is where the Chaplains of the Chapter step up and "preach about learning about science and help their fallen esslesiarchy brothers" so they do not send anymore in their place...

[Sete]

Some good ideas. Thanks. :)

Tomorrow I will try to start on the chapter background.

The name will change probably. Will go for a legion theme instead of knightly.

[Conn Eremon]

There are theories around that when the Emperor dies a new eye of Terror will form at Terra, kinda like the eldar Fall. This could bring a new age of darkness to the galaxy.

The chapter command surely knows about the warp and daemons, and what fuels them into existence.

They go for this course of action as to have a human seed world, free of Religious dogma to begin a new crusade bringing a new age to the galaxy. History repeats itself. Kinda grand I know.

Hm. Yet, the religious dogma has done more to protect humanity than the enforced atheism of the Great Crusade from the dangers of the Warp. It worked fine when Humanity was locked into a giant warmachine steamrolling forward, no brakes. But when Chaos made its move, religious faith had a very real impact on the Immaterium. In the millennia since, faith in the God-Emperor has worked. And interestingly enough, that which made the Imperial Truth work, enforced ignorance of all things Chaos, is still present in the Imperial Creed.

 

So when the Chapter makes this change among the populations, that will be something to consider. They act in confidence of their righteousness, but they would face zealous defiance from the mortals themselves, they would risk damnation and destruction from the Imperial institution they are undermine, and ultimately they would be creating a region the forces of Chaos would easier to infiltrate.

[Sete]

Hey I didnt say they were right. :)

But blind and ignorant faith can also be easily twisted.

The amount of defiance will depend mainly of the level of the civility of the population.

Its something i have to consider indeed.

[Sugarlessllama]

Well, the Imperium did have people creating media for the consumption of the masses by order of the Emperor (ex: the first three horus heresy novels). What if the Space Hulk simply contained old videos containing footage of the Emperor reading the Imperial Truth? 

[Leonaides]

Put simply, a marine chapter can run its homeworld any darn way it wants. Your guys rock up, declare right of conquest and take over the world. Ecclesiarcy has zero powers on an astartes homeworld so your guys can legitimatly boot them out and do what they want, though its unlikely to be full initiation into the chapter cult...

[Leonaides]

And then you can make your chapter chaplains each serve a tour of years running the 'religious education' of the population. Guiding services, choosing not to preach certian sermons etc. Over the course of 50-70 years you could fairly easily change the people without them even noticing. Just a few old timers who might reminice about the old fire and brimstone sermons back when they were young. And 50 years isnt a great deal of time to chapter command who have to plan 5-10-20-50yrs ahead regularly...

[Sete]

And with the Help of some Psykers to brainwash some people on key positions ;)

[Machine God]

It could be that the region does not have any real "miracles" per-say and thus the religious nuts do not have a big presence.

 

But seeing that it is an access point for the tau you need a marine chapter there for security reasons.

 

This would also give you a resources point of view as well and the AdMec would then have a presence.

 

But you would still have to play off the ecclesiarchy, so lets say after a few centuries after they were created they came across a space hulk with the AdMec cleansed and purged the alien etc etc etc. Found a few STC for weapons and a ship from before the HH.

 

On that Rouge Trader ship they found documents in perfect condition explaining what they were sent out to do, along side some Ultramarines that were dead from Orks or something from the hulk and overrun. Those Ultramarines had allies of the Custodes with all their own records explaining they were expedtion fleet 22X bla bla bla and how their records the ship was lost to the warp and the humans on the ship were slowly turning to chaos in certain parts and the last record is the Custode in charge was explaining to the Smurf Captain/whatever rank how the howling massing would be attacking the next day and that the damned religious thing had never taken of praying to the Emperor then this would have never happened and blames the Smurf for what happened...

 

of course last entry...they never make another one...

 

then have a few others from the Rouge Trader Captain slowly going crazy as he is locked on the bridge and cannot leave without being torn apart by the chaos outside the door...and the scratching oh my gawd the scratching through the bulkheads...

 

They take this information to the Chapter Master and Lead AdMec and they come to the conclusion that the esslesiarchy has to be removed to save the people in their area and they slowly remove them with "accidents" and "sniper fire" that the marines come in to save the day from the unrest but have no time to save the esslesiarchy who are all found dead.

 

This is where the Chaplains of the Chapter step up and "preach about learning about science and help their fallen esslesiarchy brothers" so they do not send anymore in their place...

@Capitano - Did your Traders sell a Lot of Makeup? The spelling is Rogue!

[Sete]

Semantics apart. I wanted to use chaos codex but that random rewards are a bit funny.

Could use my Guard as cultists.