Landrick Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The tide of Khorne comes! http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/03/this-weeks-releases-codex-khorne.html Our Bone shards may see some light! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterOffShred Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I just recently started Grey Knights, but I'm a long time Daemon player, and it's just sad how badly Khorne get's BF'd by GK . The one thing Khorne has going for it against GK is that they have lots of units with the ability to add to Deny the Witch modifiers.. otherwise it's a complete clown-town jamboree. I really look forward to seeing the new stuff and killing it on the board with my GK force should the chance arise . -Brett Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3979038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Gonna be pretty amusing putting the Bone Shard on a Grandmaster with a hammer. GG Bloodthirster/Daemon Prince haha. Not really worried. Khorne is the worst Daemon option for them, their psyker defence is only good against offensive powers (we mostly cast buffs), and we beat them in melee. Mind you, we steamroller every Daemon build, but Khorne is like breaking their legs before the fight even begins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3979897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Really? I thought khorne would be a huge problem for us due to the very high number of strength five attacks at the same initiative as us? But the bone Shard will be ultra handy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3979981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Really? I thought khorne would be a huge problem for us due to the very high number of strength five attacks at the same initiative as us? Firstly, they have to get to us in melee. That means we get at worst a whole Shooting phase to focus down their closest units. Then you have stuff like 'Cleansing Flame' to thin them out as well. They then have to eat Overwatch and still roll high enough on their charge dice to make it into melee. No frags means they go last, and we have 'Hammerhand' and 'Force'. Plus don't forget that we have 'Prescience' for rolls to hit, plus 'Preferred Enemy' on to-wound rolls. If we didn't get shot dead by xenos armies, we'd actually be placing at tournaments, because we hardcounter every Daemon build by default. So long as you don't take bad lists, Daemons aren't an issue. We can Deny their Conjuration spam better than most, and our in-built bonuses and tricks mean we kill both their infantry and MC's pretty reliably. Soulgrinders are a problem, but DK's can kill them in melee and we have psycannon to Rend them to death with if need be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Don't forget about psych-out grenades that deny them charging bonuses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Don't forget about psych-out grenades that deny them charging bonuses. Oh yeah true, I forget about those. Plus it's funny to throw a grenade onto Heralds and watch them auto-Peril ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterOffShred Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Like I said, clown-town Jamboree. The only chance they would have is pie-plates out of the skull-canon and soul grinders, because like Darius said, they have to get into CC and it's going to be super bad for them the whole way. -Brett Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Thought this new khorne codex has Marines in it too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Thought this new khorne codex has Marines in it too? AP3 force weapons ;) and we have DK's to eat their Terminators with. Also, they'll lose most shootouts with us. Hopefully they don't give them Obliterators :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The rumours seem to think D weapon toting khorne daemons that can assault after flying.... Which is crazy op if true! And I know we get ap3 as standard for ignoring saves. But I've found that ws4 vs ws4 fights take numerous turns, and half the attacks miss, just the enemy will have more attacks (over double) and re-rolls because of veterans or hatred or some other shtuffs. Quantity seems to surpass quality substantially in today's meta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 And I know we get ap3 as standard for ignoring saves. But I've found that ws4 vs ws4 fights take numerous turns, and half the attacks miss, just the enemy will have more attacks (over double) and re-rolls because of veterans or hatred or some other shtuffs. Quantity seems to surpass quality substantially in today's meta. That's why you turn on 'Prescience', so you don't miss, and turn on 'Hammerhand', so you wound reliably. Also, don't forget, against anything with 'Daemon' as a special rule, we re-rolls 1's to hit and wound as well. Their Marines can slap us with S4 all they like. Our Termies will still punch through their power armour all day erry day, AP3 is legit against Marines when you have S6 and Force to back it up (no pesky FNP or multi-wound is going to stop us in melee). For their Terminators and MC's, we have Dreadknights ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3980321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The more rumors I had about this new codex, the more excited I am to play against it. It seems like a really fun book to play with and against. How balanced it well be against our book remains to be seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3983053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The rumours seem to think D weapon toting khorne daemons that can assault after flying.... Which is crazy op if true!I'm not too worried about that particular bloodthirster, it hits at I1 and it's still only t6/3+/5++. A dreadknight only need to throw force to take care of it, regular gk will need hammerhand and force but will then probably kill it before it even swings. It still seems like a really fun codex though and just the way I prefer chaos to be; marines and daemons united by power of chaos and not marines and daemons separated. The points system also seem like a fun idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3983605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm not too worried about that particular bloodthirster, it hits at I1 and it's still only t6/3+/5++. A dreadknight only need to throw force to take care of it, regular gk will need hammerhand and force but will then probably kill it before it even swings. >Initiative 1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can't believe the same people who wrote 'Codex: Titans small enough for 40k' and 'Codex: Nothing Dies, You Lose Automatically' still do this. Strength D in melee is simply S10 with Instant Death tacked on. At range it's insane (hence turbo-laser spam on Reavers being how you win at Apocalypse). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3985008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 A bit late to the party I know, but the BA primaris is Quickening which gives any targeted character +D3 attacks and intitiative. It even works on our dreadknights as they are characters! A match made in heaven, if there was one. (a match, not heaven, although there is no anti-warp dimension unless that was supposed to be the webway) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3988698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 A bit late to the party I know, but the BA primaris is Quickening which gives any targeted character +D3 attacks and intitiative. It even works on our dreadknights as they are characters! A match made in heaven, if there was one. (a match, not heaven, although there is no anti-warp dimension unless that was supposed to be the webway) Yeah, I'm leaning towards BA as an Ally more and more these days. A Librarian with Angel Wing and Sanguinary powers is pretty cool. Only issue is being in range to cast on a DK, but that's why you'd be Deepstriking him of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3988911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterOffShred Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 A bit late to the party I know, but the BA primaris is Quickening which gives any targeted character +D3 attacks and intitiative. It even works on our dreadknights as they are characters! A match made in heaven, if there was one. (a match, not heaven, although there is no anti-warp dimension unless that was supposed to be the webway) Yeah, I'm leaning towards BA as an Ally more and more these days. A Librarian with Angel Wing and Sanguinary powers is pretty cool. Only issue is being in range to cast on a DK, but that's why you'd be Deepstriking him of course. I knew keeping the BA's from the Shield of Baal boxed set would pay off! I am going to have to read up on this tactic! Thanks fellas -Brett Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3989101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 A bit late to the party I know, but the BA primaris is Quickening which gives any targeted character +D3 attacks and intitiative. It even works on our dreadknights as they are characters! A match made in heaven, if there was one. (a match, not heaven, although there is no anti-warp dimension unless that was supposed to be the webway)Yeah, I'm leaning towards BA as an Ally more and more these days. A Librarian with Angel Wing and Sanguinary powers is pretty cool. Only issue is being in range to cast on a DK, but that's why you'd be Deepstriking him of course. They took away terminator armour from our SangPriests, but libbys still have the option, or Angels Wing, or Jump pack if you're tight on points or use more than one BA HQ. Attach them to a terminator squad to come in turn one and in range of the shunted NDKS. I knew keeping the BA's from the Shield of Baal boxed set would pay off! I am going to have to read up on this tactic! Thanks fellas -Brett A NDK by itself, even with quickening, may not be enough to take down some of the toughest guys out there. But with a hammer and concussive, you can knock back their initiative to "1" so even a squad of charging Necrons can finish it off without it swinging back, fortunately our terminators would be more than capable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3989498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I recently played a Khorne player, my DS failed and he placed my unit beside afew squads of bloodletters with skulltaker, all and all he had something like 230 attacks on the charge, my unit comprised of Draigo a libby and 5 termies, the combat ended after afew turns with 4 dead terms draigo and the libby both on 1 wound and not a single khorne demon in sight, all in all, i do not fear this new army/codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304721-brothers-prepare-the-relics-of-solor/#findComment-3990290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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