Prot Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Specifically, Cleansing Flame. I know we've had this discussion in our gaming group that if something is not specifically targeted by a weapon on the ground, you can't jink. Example: I shoot a large blast template at a skimmer, the skimmer elects to jink. But the template scatters onto another skimmer but is unable to jink because it was never targeted on the first place. Now how does this resolve on a 'flyer' or Flyrant in this case? I know I can't shoot templates at flyers, but I'm thinking of a Nova power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 err... what part of "ignores cover" should i explain? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 err... what part of "ignores cover" should i explain? Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say it doesn't ignore cover. Would a Flyrant be able to jink it? Or does it have to be something that targets it specifically? (I don't think all Nova's ignore cover, do they? I'm not use to psychic powers that actually work. I'm used to the chaos one, or simply Tigurius' Divination table.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Cleaning flame ignores cover. Jink =cover. Enough said? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimrod451 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think your asking specifically if a psychic ability that doesn't have a specific target can hit a flyer, and because they're not the target can they jink. .. Rules as Written they cant jink a template that scatters onto them, because they weren't the target. I'd say any psychic power would fall into the same category. Ignore cover or not. I hope that makes sense to what I think the intent of the question was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Not got the book in front of me, but I'm almost sure that Nova's *target* every enemy unit in range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 "a nova power automatically targets and hits" Snipped from the book. Therefore all units in range are technically the primary targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 So if the power doesn't specifically ignore cover, then jink saves are allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Okay, that makes sense. If it's targeted, it can jink... Scatter would be different, but since it's a flyer/fmc, unless it's in hover mode it can't be hit by a template. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz'sax Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Indeed as the others said there's no reason why it can't, even if you do ignore cover just means its pointless ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 FMCs can be got by templates, provided the template has skyfire. Blasts that scatter on them also hit them. This is because FMCs have a different "hard to hit" rule than flyers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 HAHA... this thread becomes from a question to another question very quickly... so... yes... nova targets all units within the range, and yes, if somehow the nova does'nt ignores cover.. this could be jinked, but, wait... only "shockwave" doesn't ignores cover. So , don't worry... just spam purifiers and bring those nids some love. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 also, novas hit fliers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Good question. Since you have to declare jink before hit are rolled, should you have to declare before the psychic power is rolled for? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3981979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Interesting question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3982519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 "When a unit with any models with the Jink special rule is selected as a target for a shooting attack, you may declare that it will Jink." So yes it can jink. The rules say as long as you're a target of a shooting attack you may jink, psychic phase or not, nova tis a shooting attack, and nova automatically 'targets', so will be able to jink. But you must declare whether you're jinking or not before you roll your 2d6 hits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3982577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 But because 'Cleansing Flame' has Ignore Cover, there is zero reason to Jink. Mind you, you're under no obligation to tell them that ;) . If they lack reading skills, that's their problem (Sanctic is in the main rulebook, like all the non-racial Lores, they have no excuse). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304830-can-a-flyrant-jink-a-nova/#findComment-3985003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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