m_r_parker Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Should be the last of the HH Weekender pre-releases, the Scyllax Guardian Automata. And with convenient timing with AdMech coming into the 40k Universe ;) http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SCYLLAX_GUARDIAN_AUTOMATA_COVENANT.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwrought Huw Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There are a lot of nice detailed parts on these kits. I'm definitely a fan of them. I suspect the various Inq28 blogs will be featuring these quite heavily over the next few weeks. Wasn't there an enginseer or magos model at the HH Weekender as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Wasn't there an enginseer or magos model at the HH Weekender as well? Yep - there was. There's a picture in one of the other threads somewhere, don't have it to hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Bloody hell, another mean AdMech unit. Absolutely gonna butcher multi-wound termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 They're okay. They look very 'generic mechanicum', if you get me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindOfMetal Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Modelwise I'm not overly enthused by them. Ruleswise they're ok. It's nice that they are a troop choice. The combat array gives them a bit of variety and means they can take on a variety of different things. The biggest rule I can see is definitely the rad furnance for them. I can see that being a massive draw-though not sure if they would be better run as a big blob or lots of smaller units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There's also some IW upgrades and UM shoulder pads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain mortis Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Ohhhh they snuck the iron warriors stuff out on the sly...not sure on it though...mkiv helmets look cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I quite like the torsos although they don't particularly scream IW (does the star have any significance?) and I don't get why the buckles are off centre. And the helmets are cool but I don't like the skull ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Iron Warriors upgrade kits are a bit of a letdown, IMO. Nothing particularly screams IVth Legion to me, the torsos make no sense, and the helms are kind of uninspired. It seems as though FW has had difficulty representing Iron Warriors in their modelling from day one, unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 I've said my piece on the IW stuff on Atia's thread in the News subforum, so I won't repeat everything here. Suffice to say, I feel sorry for those IW players who have seen the deluge of great IF models being released over the past few months, peeks of the Ultramarine and Raven Guard upgrade kits from the Weekender which have been awesome, and then they get something which can't be recognised as either a) Iron Warriors, or b) the Mark of armour that ForgeWorld have described them as (those helms are MkIV, there's very little MkII about them). At least the Contemptor was obviously Iron Warriors, regardless of whether you like it or not, but these literally can be used anywhere they feel so generic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Iron Warriors upgrade kits are a bit of a letdown, IMO. Nothing particularly screams IVth Legion to me, the torsos make no sense, and the helms are kind of uninspired. It seems as though FW has had difficulty representing Iron Warriors in their modelling from day one, unfortunately. I can understand if ForgeWorld didn't want the 30k stuff to resemble too much of the 40k, and didn't want to go too deeply into the Hazard strip / Iron Skull motif - but in all honesty I think the Iron Warriors have always been this, and there's no reason not to do this. Chunky armour (MkII / MkIII), lots of plating, a few Iron Skull emblems floating about. Make it rugged, functional and practical and that's that. It's a shame that painted MkII / MKIII kits in an Iron Warrior scheme look more like Iron Warriors that these kits will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Skull helmets? Seriously?!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Looking at the models on display where is the "Scyllax bolter" they are supposed to be armed with, looks like its all claws, saws, grabbers and other precision instruments. *cough cough* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantioch Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I kind of like some of the IW helmets, not all of them though. I agree with m_r_parker though I was kind of hoping for the torso to look like the images in Extermination where its pretty bare apart from some Iron skulls. I would have like the torsos to look bulky similar to the Contemptor but I'll reserve judgement until I have them in hand.... Just need those decals and an IW character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 When I think of Iron Warriors, I think spartan (much like my XIVth), heavily armored, and well geared. Between the Contemptor that was built by the Orks, poorly motifed helms, and now torsos that look more like they belong with the homebrew IInd Legion armies I see pop up on here (due to that star on the chest), it makes me think that FW has even less direction with the army than GW does. I'm sorry, but if I were an Iron Warriors player, I'd be irate. Especially when Imperial Fists have gotten some amazing kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Looking at the models on display where is the "Scyllax bolter" they are supposed to be armed with, looks like its all claws, saws, grabbers and other precision instruments. *cough cough* In the parts breakdown you can see them, guessing they're an optional arm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneOfOneThousand Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I love the Scyllax models - really liked them when I saw the snapshot before the weekender (which I wasnt at unfortunately) and I love them even more now. Definately getting a few packs of those eventually. The fact they are troops makes them even better for an allied detachment I think. In terms of the IV Legion stuff, I'm not impressed. But I think the basic style works for them given their feelings towards embellishment. These are the guys that dont even name their tanks as it's too much messing around after all. My brother is an IW player and he's just said "saves me money buying upgrade sets" and seeing his army I don't think they need anything other than MkII and MkIII plate. That looks epic enough in silver and black! I suppose what would go on the torsos given their attitude towards doing anything overtly different? The skull I could see working, but then we would no doubt see cries of GW/FW doing 'more skullz' on their products which wouldnt go down well either. So yes, maybe they find IV a bit tricky to pin down given they are so generic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I quite like the IW helmets and can easily work them into Iron Havoc or Support squads but the chests are pretty meh. Now the main question for me is do I have my Ultramarines in mostly mk2 or mk4 ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 1) i'm happy we fourth legion got some upgrade kits. 2) i hope to the pantheon these aren't supposed to be our iron havoc upgrade kits. 3) Helmets are good, though they could have thrown in more of the targeter mk.2 heads. 4) the hell were they thinking When they made those torsos? This is the fourth legion, not the second! 5) daym gurl, those scyllax are fine! Can see myself getting four boxes of those beauties. Just hope they add some more weapon options for them in their official rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Certainly a mixed week. The IW helms are pretty good imo, really not sold on the Scyllax, and I don't know what to make of the torsos. The problem with the IWs seems to be that a lot of the character of their models comes from situation, they're worn, dirty, unadorned and jury-rigged. Yet I can see why FW didn't want to make their official kits look like mid battle bodge jobs. So the question remains, what could they do to the torsos to make them 'Iron Warriors'? If you look at the other Torso kits, what makes them heavily identifiable is the Legion iconography emblazoned on the armour (or the Legion specific ornamentation, such as the Word Bearer runes or Salamander lizard pelts). Compare these IW torso to the WE or DG, it's not a unique IV Legion problem, all three of those kits could be used pretty easily for almost any Legion. Also, does anyone else find it somewhat irritating that the Ultras get a full spectrum of shoulder pads before their book drops, whereas the RG are still waiting for theirs, almost 2 books after their release? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneOfOneThousand Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Yeah that's a tricky one - strictly speaking all the Extermination stuff should be done first but then that leaves Tempest short of model 'punch' to drive sales. On the plus side, the WBs shouldnt get too much whilst the UMs get a few bits which should mean the rest of Book 3 is done quicker. As long as Exodus and Alpharius make their merry way to me soon I won't mind too much :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I'm going to go out on a limb and say I actually like the Iron Warriors helmets and chests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I quite like the torsos although they don't particularly scream IW (does the star have any significance?) and I don't get why the buckles are off centre. And the helmets are cool but I don't like the skull ones. It's about time Forgeworld made off center belts, they are built that way so that when you put them on a model holding a bolter and turn the torso the belt lines up with the legs. I honestly admit by bias for the torsos(Love um), but the off center belt idea is a good one and one I hope future legion specific torsos have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I Shall Paint them Yellow, Black and Gold. The Star I like (not for Iron Warriors but more generally) and will probably use it for a Command Squad; or those IF Recruits who have the Star Pattern Tattoos and painted it onto their own armour. Helms, They work but the 2nd row, the "cheeks" of the Iron Mask go a bit too high for my tastes. Range Finder helm is perfect for pretty much any Legion and the Mk IVs can be used as Pseudo Destroyer Helms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304878-forgeworld-releases-20032015-scyllax-guardian-automata/#findComment-3982446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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