march10k Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 So I've been playing IG since 1998...my shop is running an escalation league...stepping from 500-1750 at 250/wk...after two weeks, I feel like a heel. At 500, I ran one tank, one chimera, and 25 infantry, tabling daemons in four without losing a model. At 750, I lost a sentinel, a chimera, and 3-4 guardsmen, again tabling, this time guard, in six turns. It's not really my fault that I have 17 years experience with my army, is it? I could have brought three chimeras and a sentinel at 500, so I'm not even playing WAAC, although I am playing a little tougher than I would outside of a league. And nobody else is pulling any punches, the SW player fielded a land raider, 6 termies, and a dreddy at 500! (actually, I can't wait to play that cad at higher points where I'll have pasquisher and two demolishers...) ...funny thing is, I was going to play my stormtroopers, which are far less competitive, only they won't allow fliers below 1000 points, so my flying chimeras valkyries would have been out...and I don't have 750 points without them...and allies are not allowed, so... Don't get me wrong, I intended and continue to intend to win every game...and going out of my way to ensure that my opponent has 2-3 surviving models by choosing not to shoot is exceptionally patronizing, so I won't do that. I also explained my guard opponent's mistakes to him after the match (not that I didn't make any, I flanked a chimera to his exterminator!!!), something I'm not in a position to do with armies that I don't play, but I still feel bad. I need someone to tell me that I'm not a terrible person. Any takers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncain Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Don't feel bad the enemies of man would just as soon stop your face as look at it. Armor your soul with contempt, shield your self with disgust, with hatred in your heart slay the heretic, the mutant, the alien and in the Emperors Holy name let none survive! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I play to win as well. I am in a similar situation. I play at a shop with an escalation league we are at 1250 now. I play competitive too. I have won 5 out of 6. I have also played a moderate list. I don't like to be a mean either. I have played steel legion myself, since they have come out. I have twelve thousand points, and there isn't much I can run. I am only playing hardcore against the ones that beat up the young and new players. Don't beat yourself up over this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 My last game against the Tau after my Hellhammer wiped out his entire left flank. I felt a little bad but then I stop and remember my third game ever played. When a damned Daemon Prince took out 3 of Lemans in one shot with his melta beam. My guilt subsided after that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The thing with experience is that it's the fairest sort of advantage. It's not like you can forget what you've learnt right? You built a strong list yes, but it's far more complicated than that as a list is as much the commander as the points spent. Your list doesn't look like the streamlined super ones of doom and you played to win - which is exactly what you're supposed to do. Did you cheat? Where you rude to your opponent? Do you smell bad? If the answer to all these questions is "no" then you have nothing to feel terrible about ;) So congratulations on your victories march, let all know the might of the Guard :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The thing with experience is that it's the fairest sort of advantage. It's not like you can forget what you've learnt right? You built a strong list yes, but it's far more complicated than that as a list is as much the commander as the points spent. Your list doesn't look like the streamlined super ones of doom and you played to win - which is exactly what you're supposed to do. Did you cheat? Where you rude to your opponent? Do you smell bad? If the answer to all these questions is "no" then you have nothing to feel terrible about So congratulations on your victories march, let all know the might of the Guard WarriorFish has pretty much summed up what I would say. Your opponents aren't going to get any better if you go easy on them, and explaining mistakes they made will help them get better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 You never learn anything from winning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Going over the battle afterwards always helps you improve, and here it has the added bonus of helping your opponent get better. You're measured by the quality of your enemies after all ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 My opponent in the guard/guard game actually had a really dangerous deployment scheme...a chimeraload of melta tucked behind a hellhound directly opposite my tanks with a building covering the open flank of his chimmy...he coulda had them side by side on the centerline on turn one with the hellhound covering the AV10 flank of the chimera for some turn two melta fire into my deployment zone...but he chickened out and rushed the hellhound out alone while the melta actually retreated into his deployment zone...I was stunned! Anyway, no, no cheating...and none from my opponents, either, which was refreshing...so tired of people who fudge movement! Tomb blades and such are fast enough without stealing an extra inch or so every turn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Sounds like a good game then - and mistakes for your opponent to correct to make the next battle a closer run affair :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3983788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quicksilver117 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The thing with experience is that it's the fairest sort of advantage. It's not like you can forget what you've learnt right? You built a strong list yes, but it's far more complicated than that as a list is as much the commander as the points spent. Your list doesn't look like the streamlined super ones of doom and you played to win - which is exactly what you're supposed to do. Did you cheat? Where you rude to your opponent? Do you smell bad? If the answer to all these questions is "no" then you have nothing to feel terrible about So congratulations on your victories march, let all know the might of the Guard I grinned big time after the do you smell bad, The boss is right for sure though. Do not feel bad that you won, and if you face a new guy(me) point out places to improve(my) play so he(I) can have a fighting chance against the next opponent. Besides, other than an imperial Knight at 750 I can't really see any major cheese without flyers and you certainly don't have any. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3984975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Nah, you're not doing any harm, March. As long as you're both having fun, that's the main thing. If the other guy's getting upset because he's losing, a bit of chat and some distracting banter does a lot to soften the blow, I find. If you've got the game in the bag, and there's little chance of losing, you can make some otherwise risky/silly moves and give your opponent the opportunity to restore some dignity (I'm thinking more charging or tank instead of shooting, for example), and roll some dice for something other than armour/cover saves! As someone that's often on the receiving end of a beating from more experienced players, having the right attitude also helps for both players. One of my regular opponents has a good ten-years experience on me, but still gets upset - even when winning - when the dice don't go the way he expects, whereas other experienced players just laugh it off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3985060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Lol...good point cynder...as a matter of fact, that last game did find my veterans charging into melee...into the teeth of heavy flamers bunkered up in some ruins...it was intended to distract from the fact that I held all the objectives plus first blood and warlord by giving him a good kill...but instead, the dice gods had my guys sweep through his unit and claim linebreaker, as well! And that was after the vets' chimmy flanked itself to an exterminator and lived to tell the tale! Sometimes, your life is more charmed than you might wish... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304912-the-benefits-of-experience/#findComment-3985924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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