Leif Bearclaw Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Even before FW introduced their 'maybe every Legion had Loyalists and Traitors' concept (which personally, I don't think makes much sense, but that's neither here nor there), the Iron Warriors seemed to be the Traitor Legion with the greatest potential for Loyalist elements once Istvaan was concluded. The SoH, WE, EC and DG all theoretically purged their Loyalists at Istvaan III, the TS who survived Prospero naturally flow into the Traitor camp, the WBs had 40-odd years to remove Loyalists on the sly, the NLs are all mental anyway and the AL are the AL (so who the hell knows). This leaves the IWs, possessing both a highly dispersed organisation, with many independent deployments/garrisons and one of the weakest (imo) Primarch personality cults. So it doesn't seem implausible that a number of these independent deployments would not follow a Primarch they despised into rebellion. So I'm wondering how often Loyal IWs have been mentioned in the HH series, and how thier representation compares to loyalists from the other Traitor Legions. I'm of course aware of Extermination and the 77th Grand Battalion, and Betrayal mentions a loyal Warsmith called Auric Saxon in passing. I've also heard a guy called Dantioch mentioned, but don't know where he fits in. Is this the full extent of Loyal IV Legion? Also, who is this Dantioch guy and what book is he in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Barabas Dantioch is a loyalist Warsmith first mentioned in The Iron Within by Rob Sanders. Well worth a read. It's because of that short story that I started my loyalist IW, which you can check out on my plog. More info on him here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barabas_Dantioch AFAIK, there isn't much more mention of loyalist IW mentioned in the cannon, but like you said, it's easy to imagine there being more, by dint of being ridiculously spread out, and their primarch being a bit of a douchebag, all things considered. Hope this helps. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3983615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Dantioch is also in Unremembered Empire :D loyalist Iron Warriors ftw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3983709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boater Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I may be imagining things, but I seem to remember reading something that said there were three chapters of loyalist IW at the siege of terra... I had used that bit as a back story for a home brew chapter years ago, but now I can't find any mention of it anywhere. - the boater Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 The boater: would be REALLY interested in knowing where you read that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boater Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 You know, funny thing is, I would be to. It honestly may have been a fan fic or something like that and I just ran with it. I made that home brew almost a decade ago, so it might not have been anything official... I'll ask my brother later and see if he remembers. Regardless the concept of the IVth having loyalist has been around for a hot minute. It seems like peturabo didn't exactly expect much of his legion to disagree and thought they would just follow him blindly with Horus. It also seems like he can't keep track of his own legion or doesn't care. -the boater Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yeah, for a guy that's good at making war all about the numbers, he seems to loose track of his troops a lot :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Maybe he did not purge his legion because after everything is said and done he still loves his father Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 From all accounts, he was likely the first to purge his Legion, about a hundred years before the Word Bearers, if you consider the IV Legion's decimation at their (but really his) own hands, which may help the fact that there are so few Loyalist elements from the Iron Warriors. At least, that we are so far aware of. Logic would dictate that there is more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 From all accounts, he was likely the first to purge his Legion, about a hundred years before the Word Bearers, if you consider the IV Legion's decimation at their (but really his) own hands, which may help the fact that there are so few Loyalist elements from the Iron Warriors. At least, that we are so far aware of. Logic would dictate that there is more. Wouldn't Decimation have the inverse effect of causing more Loyalist elements to crop up when the time came for their Betrayal? Space Marine or not, I would still be pretty pissed off at my Primarch if he made me kill one of the Squadmates I've had since induction and knew for longer than I've known him. Just my 2c :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It appeared to have had the exact opposite effect however, binding the Legion to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3984940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 We also have to remember that the iron warriors had a crap ton of garrisons throughout the Galaxy that were as small as a squad and as large as a company.... I'm sure not all of them got the word that the legion was no longer on team emperor (as seen with dantioch, and the guy from book 3) so loyalist iron warriors is not far fetched. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the garrisons were straight up IV legion and didn't even know their primarch had been found. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304942-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-3986425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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