UlsanGamer Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Hey guys quick question. The colossal rule states that a model WITH this weapon piles in an fights at initiative 1. This seems to imply that even if you use an ether blade, he still fights at initiative 1! Please say it ain't so! Is this lazy wording or clear intent? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 There are two trains of thought: either rules like this apply regardless of whether the model is even using the weapon, or a weapon's special rules only apply when the weapon is actively being used. I had always played the latter since it was previously the more disadvantageous interpretation (such as when the model has the Blade of Blood and an Axe of Khorne), however the former seems to be the more RAW interpretation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3986696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think there is only one entity capable of giving the answer to this question, and we'll have to wait for an erratum to get that answer. Until then, I'd say it must be played as written unless you and your friends agree on doing otherwise, which would obviously be advantageous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3986729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minionboy Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's the same argument that gives you Rampage with the Blade of Blood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3986767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Frankly, I don't really understand the arguments. Or rather, I see both issues as pretty straightforward. Doesn't say "when making attacks with this weapon" or anything like that. Who are we, as mere mortals, to attempt to interpret the rules differently? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3986768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 its a pain as model-wise its my favourite one, if i were to make one, though i would use one of the other heads for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3986881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vrakas Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I've played 2 games with him already. Don't worry the low initiative is.not near as bad as you would think. He still murders anything it touches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 people are worried about instant death D weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 How do you keep him alive long enough to get in combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 just hope it isn't hammer and anvil then you can prolly get a turn 2 charge. Pray the armor and jink saves make it for turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That's going to be a lot of saves. There is a good chance of losing that 275 point model turn 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That's why you should bring 2, a lord of skulls, lots of flesh hounds and mauler fiends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That's probably how I'll have to run it. 1 is pretty easy to kill, 2 is not. Flesh hounds are always mandatory in my lists lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3988805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trokair Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 its a pain as model-wise its my favourite one, if i were to make one, though i would use one of the other heads for it.At the Local shop one person did a little bit of converting and greenstufing to give his Thirster both the little and the big axe. So he can uses it as either depending on what role he needs when writing his army list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3989997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Librarian Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hey guys quick question. The colossal rule states that a model WITH this weapon piles in an fights at initiative 1. This seems to imply that even if you use an ether blade, he still fights at initiative 1! Please say it ain't so! Is this lazy wording or clear intent? Isn't this question redundant as he cannot have an Etherblade anyway? I mean, I have seen pictures from white dwarf on the web where you could buy daemonic rewards for Bloodthirsters, but this option is gone in the final Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3990772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay170788 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 While that is true in the daemonkin book, these bloodthirsters can still be used in a daemon army and they can purchase gifts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305075-bloodthirster-of-insensate-rage-and-the-colossal-rule/#findComment-3990855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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