Karhedron Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 My current army lists involve a Storm Raven with Cassor and some Scouts aboard. A recent game has made me painfully aware that having 400 points of my army off the board (and not guaranteed to arrive until Turn 4) might be a hindrance. I am trying to consider the cheapest way to get some reserve manipulation into my army. Dante is too expensive (1500-1750 points). A fortification with comms relay is cheaper but my current army list is designed to advance on the enemy with drop pods, jump pack units and the Raven. A fortification would need at least a 5-man squad to man it which increases the cost. Can anyone think of any other ideas for a cheap reserve reroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If you're allowing Forgeworld, there's the Damocles Command Tank and Land Raider Promethius. Alternatively, there's Captain Karlaen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood & Thunder Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 a vv (relic) can allow you to get 2 rolls on the strategic table giving you a 2/6 chance of adding the +1 to reserve rolls. Or a domacles Command rhino for the +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If you're allowing Forgeworld, there's the Damocles Command Tank and Land Raider Promethius. Alternatively, there's Captain Karlaen. Damocles Command Tank guide Land Raider Promethius guide As for Captain Karlaen, you can re-roll any reserve roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You could also use Corbulo's Far Seeing Eye if that raven is the only thing in reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Give your Warlord the Veritas Vitae and roll 4 times for the 're-roll reserves' strategic trait. That gives you a pretty good chance of getting it. This is by far the cheapest way for us to get reserves manipulation. Personally I think you are trying to use reserve manipulation to 'bandage' a bad play. I'd just drop Cassor and then you're less 'all-in' on the Raven with scouts. If you need a second troop choice, take 5 more scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 I am planning to run BSF so I don't think I can reroll my Warlord Trait on the strategic table. Also I I think I can only reroll the VV trait if it duplicates my original trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauce Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You could also bring Dante - he lets you reroll for jump troops, skimmers, and fliers. Even more expensive, though. Another option is to take an aegis line with a comms relay. You can (usually) place the aegis anywhere on your table half, and there's no restriction about where the comms can be (and no rules that say it can even be destroyed), so you don't have to set up a gunline to make use of an aegis line. I've used the damocles myself - it's a nice buff without being overpowered enough that your opponent (or TO) won't let you use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 The Aegis + Comms relay is an option. I can use it to give my infantry cover before they start advancing. The Damocles is good too. Either way I will need to find at least an extra 75 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood & Thunder Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Give your Warlord the Veritas Vitae and roll 4 times for the 're-roll reserves' strategic trait. That gives you a pretty good chance of getting it. This is by far the cheapest way for us to get reserves manipulation. Personally I think you are trying to use reserve manipulation to 'bandage' a bad play. I'd just drop Cassor and then you're less 'all-in' on the Raven with scouts. If you need a second troop choice, take 5 more scouts. Wouldn't you have to use the cad for that to work? And would it work with both rolls? For the 4 rerolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Skysheild with ready for take off, cheap and now you 400 point unit is on the board and 4++ to cover it if you don't go first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I am planning to run BSF so I don't think I can reroll my Warlord Trait on the strategic table. Also I I think I can only reroll the VV trait if it duplicates my original trait. Give your Warlord the Veritas Vitae and roll 4 times for the 're-roll reserves' strategic trait. That gives you a pretty good chance of getting it. This is by far the cheapest way for us to get reserves manipulation. Personally I think you are trying to use reserve manipulation to 'bandage' a bad play. I'd just drop Cassor and then you're less 'all-in' on the Raven with scouts. If you need a second troop choice, take 5 more scouts. Wouldn't you have to use the cad for that to work? And would it work with both rolls? For the 4 rerolls Yea, you would need to run a CAD for the re-roll on the Strategic table to work, and I don't see why you wouldn't get to re-roll the Veritas Vitae's second trait if you are taking a CAD. The Veritas Vitae's rules don't specify that it overrides the Command Benefit present in the CAD. It simply insinuates that if you get to re-roll your second trait if you roll a duplicate. I would imagine this works similar to Tigurius and spell selection. He gets to re-roll his choice of spells, but duplicate 're-rolls' don't count in terms of the 'no re-roll may be re-rolled' rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The wording of Ideal Mission Commander is vague enough that a case could be made either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Well my Priest has the VV so by that reasoning a 4/6 chance is not bad. Maybe I will run it for a few games and see how it works out. Still prefer BSF to CAD though which is annoying. I suppose BSF gives me a 1/3 chance of DoA (although the other BA warlord traits are pretty naff). If that fails I still have a1/6 chance of getting a reroll on the strategic table. I think this gives marginally better odds than 2 rolls without a reroll on the strategic table. Hmmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Yea going for a double shot at descent of angels + the 1/6 for the VV isn't bad either. It's not garaunteed, but you're not paying a massive premium either for reserves manipulation (that might not be needed / isn't guaranteed to work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 If you're allowing Forgeworld, there's the Damocles Command Tank and Land Raider Promethius. Alternatively, there's Captain Karlaen. Damocles Command Tank guide Land Raider Promethius guide As for Captain Karlaen, you can re-roll any reserve roll. does his ability work if he is off the board? i.e. can i re-roll his reserve roll if DS'ing; and if he fails can i re-roll subsequent ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I may be wrong but I don't see why not. I envisage the only restriction being that he is alive. Many other Warlord Traits work if the Warlord is off the table, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Skysheild with ready for take off, cheap and now you 400 point unit is on the board and 4++ to cover it if you don't go first Very true. Only downside is I cannot zoom on turn 1 so I will have to take 1 or 2 turns of normal fire before I can get the safety of zooming. There is no perfect solution, just multiple options with the more reliable ones costing more points. :( Why can't I buy a portable comms relay for 20 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishDunc Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 So I've be trying to find something similar and came across some very nice wording. In the stronhold assault book, the battlefield debris states that they can be bought as part of a fortification that has that option or separately. Therefore I have been using the comms relay on its own (20pts) and having a vindicator/pred or something similar who would usually be aiming for midfield staying back until turn 2 after reserves are rolled. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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