steellegionnaire85 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I took this relic in the last tier of the escalation league I am participating in. For 60 points it's pricey. I modelled it using some parts out of the bits box. I was wondering if anyone else has modelled it or has used it and if it is something viable to use every game. It game all my plasma guns such a buff I think I may use it all the time. I didn't loose a single one to my own rolls. I was impressed but I can buy another squad of guard for that price. What do you all think of the other relics and which ones are worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Nah, all that stuff is too expensive, or it's useless...l would pass on all of it. The only good company command squad build I've found is three plasma guns...maybe a medic...and any regimental advisors that you feel are appropriate to your build. But I usually just take Pask... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3989876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 This comes up from time to time. Full math found here. The short versions is, if Kurov's Aquila can make 166 points worth of models gain PE, it will cause more damage than adding 60 points of models to that unit. Most of the other heirlooms I don't like because they have a downside that is not reflected in a lower point cost. The emperor's benediction is ok if you have a spare 5 points left over. The blade of conquest is an insult at 25 points. However, the death mask is a good buy considering what most codices have to pay for their 4+ invulnerable save. For 5 more you get a couple extra special rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3989902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Thank you, sir. My thoughts were right worth the points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3989908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Thank you, sir. My thoughts were right worth the points Oh heck yeah. Especially when you are facing lists made of multiple codices. Old Grudges is too limited to count on when you can have preferred enemy (everyone) on multiple units plus still getting another warlord trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3989919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idlem Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I used to not think much of the Aquilla, but then I decided to run two Special Weapons teams of the plasma varity as kind of a bodyguard unit for my CCS since my brother likes to fly his demon prince in to say hi. I used to never, ever run plasma cause my dice rolls always seemed to crop up as a 1. However, this last game running my SWTs for the first time, along with the Aquila well, it suddenly was all... http://makeameme.org/media/created/I-can-show-vqc64b.jpg One round of firing from my SWTs plasma, with a couple of saved rerolls due to my Aquila and suddenly that demon prince was plasma goop. I got to use much more aggressive tactics with the aqulia backing up my rolls. I'm also suddenly more interested in Special Weapons teams. It just seems worth it in every way provided you can keep your CCS safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3989975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Trust Fib to come in with the numbers ;) As mentioned it's one of those things that you need to build around somewhat, but it does exactly what it says on the tin - it's up to you for the rest :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The death mask is good for the points in a vacuum...but when you consider that the wearer often has a 5++ default, you're not paying for a 4++, you're paying to upgrade from a 5++ to a 4++...which used to cost termies five points (now they upgrade to a 3++ for the same five points!). Add to that the idea that the "other armies" you're comparing guard to in terms of paying for a 4++ are generally taking that 4++ (they're usually paying the points to go from no invul to a 4++!) are generally putting that 4++ on something far killier, be it in shooting, melee, or both, than any guard HQ...the death mask is really a craptastic deal when you put it in context. Sure, it's five points more than a rosarius...so? If you could give the death mask to a character that has access to a rosarius, that would be a relevant point. But the death mask is really only available to puny humans who generally already have a 5++, while the rosarius/shield generator, etc, goes to a BS5 crisis suit, a canoness, etc...in other words, a model with far more offensive potential and no base invul. No comparison, the death mask is vastly overcosted! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampyrerodent Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I run the Company Commander in a Chimera behind two Punishers. With twenty shots each, there's bound to be some misses. Being able to pick up an extra few hits per shot has helped quite a bit. Can you imagine what you could accomplish, or avoid, when using it with a nearby Executioner armed with plasma cannons?! The idea of running two SWaT teams with plasma is a great idea too. I've had nothing but good things with the Aquila. I know it's pricey, but I can get a lot more done with a few re-rolls of Punisher cannons than an extra ten guards with lasguns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 How are people modelling this upgrade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 At first I used a servo skull and mounted it on the base behind the commander. Eventually I picked up another Coteaz just for his bird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I don't think you even need to model it, as it's not a weapon or armour type so I generally consider them to be aside from WYSIWYG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Thinking more along the lines for ETL. You must model it to have it. Coteaz sounds like a possible plan. Not sure about the £11 price tag for just a bit of the model though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Hmm, not sure about how that applies to ETL but it would be best to model it for completeness. A servo skull would be fine, could easily be nothing when you don't take it. Plus who doesn't have spare servo skulls around? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Going through my bits and remembered there was some form of Egyptian style double headed bird icon on the old skeleton metal command upgrades. Got Tuesday off work so might have a proper look then. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Cool, that sounds like it'd be a good piece to model the aquila as :tu: Post up a picture if you can! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3990885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hmmm ... You know the bloke with the Aquila needs a Stormlord to ride in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3991145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 I used the light post from the terrain kit the radar dish and improved comms bit and mounted it on a base I have to update my wip today and when I do I'll take a picture of my aquilla Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3991195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampyrerodent Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I added a small aquila from the command squad banner to a chain bit. Not very showy, but it is official. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3991200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 That works for me, looks cool too :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305212-kurovs-aquilla/#findComment-3991245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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