Aspiringchaoschampion Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Hey guys i have a question regarding mr blackheart He has the hamadrya which is a combat familiar which makes him a mastery level 1 psyker. Now at the start of evrry turn he rolls a D3 to see which discipline out of biomancy divination and pyromancy he generates a power from. You then roll as normal as if hes a level 1 psyker. Would he be able to benefit from psychic focus? Id argue yes down to the fact he dosent keep any previously generated powers but id like your guys thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 make sure to check the faq, but I'd guess he gets the primaris of whatever table he rolled since he doesn't have a mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 It dosent say anything that i can see in the faq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Nobody in my gaming group has asked, but you may be right...he may get the primaris. Â On the other hand...he rolls for the discipline...does he roll d6 for the spell too? Â Mr. Blackheart is a special case who gets the benefit of the Hamadrya, but does his rules actually call him out as a Psycher in the codex/dataslate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Ming he does roll the d6 he rolls a d3 to determine which power the discipline comes from then he rols a d6 on said discipline. The hamadrya makes him a mastery level 1 psyker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 With that said, I'd say no primaris... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Nobody in my gaming group has asked, but you may be right...he may get the primaris.  On the other hand...he rolls for the discipline...does he roll d6 for the spell too?  Mr. Blackheart is a special case who gets the benefit of the Hamadrya, but does his rules actually call him out as a Psycher in the codex/dataslate? He generates powers like a Psyker Mastery Level 1. Since he does not have a set power from the discipline, yes, he does roll.  With that said, I'd say no primaris... Only if he generates powers from more than one discipline, just like any other Psyker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I guess the point of discussion is that his discipline and actual spell are rolled up each turn, so the wonder is whether that means he could choose the primaris over the spell randomly determined for that random discipline that particular turn. Â Since he is only doing it by special rule, and the rules are essentially permissive, I guess you'd have to clear it with your opponent. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I guess the point of discussion is that his discipline and actual spell are rolled up each turn, so the wonder is whether that means he could choose the primaris over the spell randomly determined for that random discipline that particular turn. Â Since he is only doing it by special rule, and the rules are essentially permissive, I guess you'd have to clear it with your opponent. He cannot deliberately choose the Primaris to replace the randomly generated spell. It specifically states that. Nothing about Psychic Focus has been FAQ'd regarding this, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolemy Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Hamadrya and Psychic Focus are pretty clear about this as far as I can tell. Hamadrya "makes Huron a Psyker", so he's a Psyker. At the beginning of the game, Huron has Psychic Focus since he's only rolled one power from one discipline. If during the course of the game, he rolls a different discipline, he loses Psychic Focus, as per the Special Rule. Â So, he has the Primaris of the first discipline that he rolls, until he rolls another discipline, when he loses it. Simple. Â The "swap" stuff is just an artifact from 6th edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 You don't think he just has the primaris of whatever spell discipline he has at the time since he still only maintains one spell at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 You don't think he just has the primaris of whatever spell discipline he has at the time since he still only maintains one spell at a time? Â No, because Psychic Focus tells us it is simply lost if the Psyker gains a spell from another discipline during a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 RAW at its finest then :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's no more a worthy "RAW at its finest" complaint than not being able to declare a charge if you've elected to run in the shooting phase. Them's the (pretty straightforward) breaks. Â Indeed, it's a charity of the 7th Edition rules that he would get a primaris power in the first place; RAI should be that he does not get the primaris power because in 6th when Codex: Chaos Space Marines was written the only way to get the primaris power was to swap for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm not complaining. Just frowning that old dex is old and wouldn't mind an FAQ on things like this since I do like running Huron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolemy Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well... on the plus side, it does mean that 7th edition gave him a free buff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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