Need help with list 3k+ IH

[deekin]

Hey, need help figuring out what i need to purchase/customise to round off my IH army. Only recently returned to the hobby so I haven't used anything on the tabletop yet but what I've currently got:

 

35 x Marines (mix of MK II, MK III and IH MK III with a few special weapons, sergeants etc. but can get different load-outs modeled so a blank slate really.)

5 x Immortals without their shields (was going to use them as seekers, support squad, sergs or HQ unit)

1 x Ferrus

2 x Contemptors (as for arms currently have 2 CCW arms, 2 autocannon arms, a MM arm and a TLLC arm but again, blank slate)

1 x Scorpius

1 x Spartan

1 x Thunderhawk Gunship

 

Would really like to use the hawk but it seems id have to be up at 4K+. Just want some ideas of what i need to acquire to round off this army, thanks.

 

 

[lionofjudah]

Welllll.... Gorgons for the Spartan would be a good start. Add 5 more guys to immortals squad to make a 10 man seekers- combisomething and go.

Maybe another scorpius or 2 and 2 fire raptors to hang out with the thawk and keep her safe.

More dudes to walk with the dreads and maybe a heavy support squad of volkite a hanging with the scorpius' to Add some fire power...

[deekin]

Welllll.... Gorgons for the Spartan would be a good start. Add 5 more guys to immortals squad to make a 10 man seekers- combisomething and go.

Maybe another scorpius or 2 and 2 fire raptors to hang out with the thawk and keep her safe.

More dudes to walk with the dreads and maybe a heavy support squad of volkite a hanging with the scorpius' to Add some fire power...

Thanks for the suggestions, please excuse the gaps and stuff but here is what it is looking like at the moment:

 

HQ

    ??? (?, ?)

        Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

    Legion Centurion (weapons?)

        Primus Medicae

ELITES

    Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (1-3, weapons?)

    Gorgon Terminators (5-10)

        Legion Spartan Assault Tank

    ??? (?, ?)

TROOPS

    Legion Tactical Squad (20)

    Legion Tactical Squad (10)

    Legion Tactical Support Squad (5-10, weapons?)

FAST ATTACK

    Legion Seeker Squad (10, weapons?)

HEAVY SUPPORT

    Scorpius

    Legion Heavy Support Squad (5-10, weapons?)

    ??? (?, ?)

LORDS OF WAR

    Legion Thunderhawk Gunship (0-65 points of upgrades?)

 

Medicae is a maybe and really there to leave an elites slot open. As for that slot im thinking more dreads (i like dreads), maybe even box dreads. No idea for the remaining heavy slot.

 

Edit: Turns out i've been using the wrong Thunderhawk entry so this army list should be for 2250-2335 not including LoW and also need something to hitch a ride in the thunderhawk (thinking 3 angry CC dreads)

[deekin]

Hmmm, thinking maybe a chunky squad of Castellax Battle-Automata could be nice for that heavy support slot.

[Memento Of Prospero]

You can have 1 unit as elites in under Head of the Gorgon as well.

 

At this point, it depends on how you envision your army. I like to use our RoW to run an armoured spearhead. That just about everything is mount in a proteus or spartan, with sicaran and dreadnought fire support. If you want to go down that road, you'll have to invest in armour since you have very little of it. I keep a 20 man tactical as a ancor for objectives in my deployment zone and the rest are in proteus land raiders or spartans if I can afford the heavy support slot.

 

If you want a more conventional RoW, you can have a healthy mix of foot slogging units backed by rapiers and predators, with a few outflanking units in transports.

 

I would run 10 gorgons as a bodyguard for Ferrus. They are tough and can get work done. Run a healthy amount of chainfists. You could convert those 5 immortals into a command squad, seeker squad or use them as vet sergeant for your other units. The conversion opportunities are great.

[deekin]

You can have 1 unit as elites in under Head of the Gorgon as well.

 

At this point, it depends on how you envision your army. I like to use our RoW to run an armoured spearhead. That just about everything is mount in a proteus or spartan, with sicaran and dreadnought fire support. If you want to go down that road, you'll have to invest in armour since you have very little of it. I keep a 20 man tactical as a ancor for objectives in my deployment zone and the rest are in proteus land raiders or spartans if I can afford the heavy support slot.

 

If you want a more conventional RoW, you can have a healthy mix of foot slogging units backed by rapiers and predators, with a few outflanking units in transports.

 

I would run 10 gorgons as a bodyguard for Ferrus. They are tough and can get work done. Run a healthy amount of chainfists. You could convert those 5 immortals into a command squad, seeker squad or use them as vet sergeant for your other units. The conversion opportunities are great.

Thanks for the suggestions, how do you find the Proteus, I'm a bit on the fence myself. My main concern is not being able to use it in 40k as at the moment i have the freedom of using most of the models in both systems (albeit unrealistically ancient but still possible). Also seeings as I'm now running the thunderhawk in my 3K list i will have to build around it for the most part. So far I've got 1495points pretty much set in stone. Leaving 1500 points for upgrades for the following along with the rest of the army.

 

HQ

    ??? (?, ?)

        Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

ELITES

    ??? (?, ?)

        Legion Spartan Assault Tank - 295

TROOPS

    Legion Tactical Squad (20) - 250

    Legion Tactical Squad (10) - 150

HEAVY SUPPORT

    Scorpius - 115

LORDS OF WAR

    Legion Thunderhawk Gunship - 685

 

 - 1495

 

This is pretty much the only essentials the rest is completely malleable.

[Slips]

If you're taking a Thunderhawk (and thus can shove multiple units into it per Super-Heavy Transport rules), you'd be better off ditching the Spartan and saving some points since the TH will be able to carry your big bad hammer unit no problem and in some cases (mostly due to S-H rules) might be a safer option; such as being safe from Knight Stomps.

 

If you're running HotG, you need a Master of the Legion Character. That means either: A Preator/Forge Father, Delegatus, IH Special Character or Ferrus. Since you have a TH Ferrus is out.

 

I'd personally go with a Forge Father and use him to repair the Thunderhawk if possible.

 

Proteus Land Raiders are the LR option for shooty units. 50 points cheaper than a phobos but with all the same guns. Think of it as an Av14 Rhino with Lascannons.

MSU Land Raiders would be a difficult thing for most lists to deal with. Taking Barebones Tac Squads, thats 350 points per Proteus Tac Squad. So up to 5 if using only 1500 of your 3k points.

 

The thing is, you'd still need some anti-air since only the Lascannons and Heavy Bolters on the TH can shoot at other flyers; meaning either Deredeos, Contemptor-Mortis, Xiphon, Primaris-Lightning or other options.

 

For your big bad elite unit, Gorgons are fine but Standard Terminators are Cheaper with a bit more in terms of wargear options.

 

For the 30 Capacity of your Thunderhawk you could do something like:

 

Forge Father: Terminator Armor

Terminator Squad/Gorgon Squad: x9

Contemptor Dreadnought / Plasma Seekers / stuff.

 

I'm starting to draw blanks now but this is what I've got for now.

[Memento Of Prospero]

A thunderawk under 5k is a serious investment. It's very specialized and should probably used to deliver some effective shocktroops. They could drop in a dreadnought and a 20 breacher/immortals squad or serve as a limousine for a full unit of gorgons. Alternatively, it could deploy a mobile firebase such as a support squad and some legion vets/seekers and a shooty dread.

 

You could do:

 

Iron Father

Command Squad

Support Squad

Shooty Contemptor dread

Thunderhawk - transporting all of the above

 

10 Gorgonators in a spartan

Scorpius

2 Dakka preds or 1 sicaran

3 Rapier Batteries

20 man tactical squad to ancor around your backfield units

1 or 2 fire raptors for escort duty and more fire support

 

Add infantry to liking. You'll have a strong outflanking force (thunderhawk and air support) and some shooty backfield options to take out enemy armour. Spartan will soak quite a bit of initial shooting and deliver the gorgonators forward.

[deekin]

Thanks Slips and WolfPack, got a rough list here:

 

HQ - 240
    Legion Praetor (Iron halo, Cyber-familiar, digital weapons, melta bombs, Grav gauntlet, Master-crafted Paragon blade)
        Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

ELITES - 1210
    Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (2, 2 Dreadnought close combat weapon, Chainfist, 4 Graviton gun)
    Gorgon Terminator Squad (10, 2 Chainfist)
        Gorgon Hammerbearer (Cyber-familiar)
        Legion Spartan Assault Tank (Armoured Ceramite, Flare shield)
    Apothecarion Detachment (1)
    

TROOPS - 610
    Legion Tactical Squad (20)
        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)
    Legion Tactical Squad (10)
        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)
        Land Raider Proteus

FAST ATTACK - 50
    Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery (Hyperios air-defence missle launcher)

HEAVY SUPPORT - 190
    Legion Whirlwind Scorpius
    Legion Predator Strike Armour Squadron (1)

LORDS OF WAR - 720
    Legion Thunderhawk Gunship (Void-crafted hull)

TOTAL - 3020

Dreads and Praetor rolling in the thunderhawk, two land raiders charging objectives, gun platform, tanks and 20 man blob with apoth sit back.

 

Thinking it is missing a bit of ap1/2 weaponry. Pred, gun platform and apoth are give or take but they filled gaps very cheaply. I would like to also use those spare 10 infantry i've still got. Could maybe cut the gorgons down to 5 and try to put more units on the table.

[Memento Of Prospero]

Taking a chainfist on a dread makes it lose it's extra attack from having 2 CC weapons. You could swap the second arm for a lascannon or plasma cannon if you want more Ap2 goodness, or a kheress for all round utility.

 

I would add a pintle mounted multi melta to the spartan for more AP 1 goodness.

 

sponson lascannons for the pred would give you more anti armour capability

[deekin]

Taking a chainfist on a dread makes it lose it's extra attack from having 2 CC weapons. You could swap the second arm for a lascannon or plasma cannon if you want more Ap2 goodness, or a kheress for all round utility.

 

I would add a pintle mounted multi melta to the spartan for more AP 1 goodness.

 

sponson lascannons for the pred would give you more anti armour capability

Just from my experience from ironclads, i was under the impression that a dreadnought only needed to have two of any close combat weapon to get their extra attack rather than the usual two of the same. Do you think having the gorgons at full strength of 10 is important or could i afford to strip them down to 8 or even 5 to diversify my points spending a bit.

 

HQ - 240

    Legion Praetor (Iron halo, Cyber-familiar, digital weapons, melta bombs, Grav gauntlet, Master-crafted Paragon blade)

        Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

 

ELITES - 980

    Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (2, 2 Dreadnought close combat weapon, Chainfist, 4 Graviton gun)

    Gorgon Terminator Squad (5, Chainfist)

        Gorgon Hammerbearer (Cyber-familiar)

        Legion Spartan Assault Tank (Armoured Ceramite, Flare shield)   

 

TROOPS - 610

    Legion Tactical Squad (20)

        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)

    Legion Tactical Squad (10)

        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)

        Land Raider Proteus

 

HEAVY SUPPORT - 115

    Legion Whirlwind Scorpius

 

LORDS OF WAR - 720

    Legion Thunderhawk Gunship (Void-crafted hull)

 

This is really the only mainstay stuff, the spare 335 points  can be anything really, can take points from praetor if need be and gorgons can become normal termies for another 25 points but would rather avoid that.

[Memento Of Prospero]

The strength of termies in the heresy is their great price tag at 10 models. 5 won't be able to cut through a 20 man blob in a timely manner.

[deekin]

HQ - 395
    Legion Praetor (Iron halo, Cyber-familiar, digital weapons, melta bombs, Grav gauntlet, Master-crafted Paragon blade)
        Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

    Legion Centurion (Cataphractii Terminator armour, Cyber-familiar)

       Forge Lord (Plasma pistol, rad grenades, melta bombs)

 

ELITES - 1235
    Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (2, 2 Dreadnought close combat weapon, Chainfist, 4 Graviton gun)
    Legion Terminator Squad (10, Catacphractii pattern armour, 2 Chainfist, 3 Power Fist)
        Legion Terminator Sergeant (Cyber-familiar)
        Legion Spartan Assault Tank (Armoured Ceramite, Flare shield)

   Apothecarion Detachment (2, 2 Augury scanner)

 

TROOPS - 510
    Legion Tactical Squad (20)
        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)
    Legion Tactical Squad (20)
        Legion Tactical Sergeant (melta bombs)

HEAVY SUPPORT - 115
    Legion Whirlwind Scorpius

LORDS OF WAR - 720
    Legion Thunderhawk Gunship (Void-crafted hull)

 

2975, have pretty much all of these models apart from the termies. Basically the rest of the choices come down to gorgons vs cataphractii and if the latter, what to spend 25 points on.