CaptainHelion Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Looks like a fairly flexible list to me. Not exactly heavy on anything, but there's plenty of boots on the ground, and that's never a bad thing. Between a decent amount of Tac squads and the two flyers, I imagine Maelstrom-type missions should be manageable. I think, though, that the proof shall be, as they say, in the pudding. Not really any way to know other than playing the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4009818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 what you guys rate though? CAD or VSF? (assuming BSF wont help me capture :/ ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4009939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 No Drop Pod for the five man RAS? As for VSF/CAD, I'm trying to see what the CAS has over the VSF... You know if you take the CAD and lose out by three points you'll be kicking yourself :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 No Drop Pod for the five man RAS? As for VSF/CAD, I'm trying to see what the CAS has over the VSF... You know if you take the CAD and lose out by three points you'll be kicking yourself Defs have a pod! Sorry! CAD = 1. Scoring drop pod, 2. scoring razorbacks, 3. reroll on the WL trait (with Veritas is veri-nice) VSF = 1. Scoring razorbacks (if a unit is inside) 2. Wider selection of traits - with no reroll though. 3. One Troop unit (the pod guys) - will get Preferred Enemy Drawback -> In 2 missions (where units are selected) I have no choice on which units to select- meaning my drop pod unit becomes a pizza delivery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh! also forgot, while the WL is alive, any unit may reroll Mysterious Objectives - which is pretty damned cool i think. Option of getting skyfire goes up hugely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Well, you have 4-8 units with Obj Sec in the the VSF. How much stock do you put in that rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 That's a good question too hey. I like the pod for capture. And then the zippy transports. Usually, i wouldnt put too much stock into it- but on account of these missions...i dunno! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood & Thunder Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 You could go for that codex formation that gives you obj secure and the +1 init. Although I'm sure it would make you sacrifice points since there are a few repeated units..... but what's not more fluffy than bringing an entire company to an epic battle. Don't have a dex near me so don't remember exactly what's in it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 You could go for that codex formation that gives you obj secure and the +1 init. Although I'm sure it would make you sacrifice points since there are a few repeated units..... but what's not more fluffy than bringing an entire company to an epic battle. Don't have a dex near me so don't remember exactly what's in it I thought about that - its the full company - sadly dont have enough points to run it - i tried!!! The Demi Company (from what i know) doesnt have the Obj Sec - otherwise iid rock that. Also - tried to rock Dante's Avenging Host - but couldnt make it work. Would have LOVED that one. The minimum is just too high :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4010466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Did my first play test vs DE (carnival of pain list!!!) Was really cool. When that hammer gets off, its insane. Really like the list variability. With Legacies though, I'm down to 53 out of 60 for comp. So, could buff to 58 with VSF. Not sure its worth it though. My army is in a terrible state of disrepair though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 How does adding Legacies drop your comp score? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Legacies count as "unique" for the tourney Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Hm, personally I would sacrifice army comp points to maximise my chances of winning big and get full battle points, but that's just me with my power gaming mentality ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Given that they are classed as upgrades and are different ones, you could probably argue against it but... How is your Tactical grav gun getting on? What with the internet saying how the sky falls if you take Salvo weapons on anything other than Relentless platforms... Hm, personally I would sacrifice army comp points to maximise my chances of winning big and get full battle points, but that's just me with my power gaming mentality Far more to it than that, which Mort knows from experience Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Good question! I needed grav, but, couldn't afford it on anywhere else. Couldn't work in the bikes without taking away elsewhre. I use it as part of a "tactical" unit, hitting hard targets encroaching on my backline. Not ideal, but any grav is decent! Getting a pistol on my chappy and my drop vet too Last Vets came down to a points diff of around 5 I think!!! Always uber tight!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Given that they are classed as upgrades and are different ones, you could probably argue against it but... How is your Tactical grav gun getting on? What with the internet saying how the sky falls if you take Salvo weapons on anything other than Relentless platforms... Hm, personally I would sacrifice army comp points to maximise my chances of winning big and get full battle points, but that's just me with my power gaming mentality Far more to it than that, which Mort knows from experience Care to eloborate. I am curious ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 CAD is looking pretty strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 "Final" list is looking like this:Chaplain - Veritas, Grav Pistol Mephiston (-3 comp) Damocles (-2 comp) 5x Terminators -4TH/SS ( -4 comp - no full unit of elite) 10x TAC - Melta Gun, HF, Grav Pistol, Axe, Vet 1x POD 10x TAC - Melta Gun, LasCan 1x Razorback - LC/PG 10x TAC - Melta Gun, LasCan (+3 comp) 1x Razorback - LC/PG 10x TAC - Heavy Flmr, GravGun (+3 comp) 1x Razorback - LC/PG (- 3 comp) 3x Attack Bikes - 3MM 5x ASM - 2Melta Gun, 1x Infernus Pistol, 1x Grav Pistol 1x Pod Sicaran - Legacy of Mars ( -5 - FW + Legacy) Fire Raptor - Legacy of...er...monster hunter ( -5 - FW + Legacy) Storm Raven - Extra Armour Additional: +7 for no duplicates (other than transport) TOTAL: 51/60 (CAD) (or 56/60 VSF) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 VSF. If you feel Obj Sec is needed, then so will everyone else. So go for the extra bonuses from the VSF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Just to get whole picture ; termies go into SR? or ? ~BT EDIT: Well not sure if you benefit that much from BSF, while you have too many Tacs to get the real use out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 VSF. If you feel Obj Sec is needed, then so will everyone else. So go for the extra bonuses from the VSF. Jol - interestingly, my concerns for Obj Sec are less than my concerns for mission 2 and mission 5 where I dont get a say in what guys get the bonus. Also, i'm not sure what is better - "4" rolls on the strategic table (2 rolls with 2 rerolls) or 1 on strategic, and one on another. I'm really in a pickle! Just to get whole picture ; termies go into SR? or ? ~BT EDIT: Well not sure if you benefit that much from BSF, while you have too many Tacs to get the real use out of it. BSF i rate is out, sadly :( I luuurve the bonus, but need the other buffs- so its either the CAD or the VSF (Veteran's Strike Force) And ya! Termies go into the SR or can DS to the Damocles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 How much do you want Infiltrate? :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That reminds me, what powers for Mephiston? I guess he's going to roll with the Terminators and the Chaplain inside the Stormraven? Used Mephiston on the weekend. Rolled on Biomancy and got Life Leach and Haemorrhage. Lets just say he didn't have the greatest life expectancy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 In mish 3, quite a lot hey!! I think any smart opponent will choose my storm raven to go off board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 That reminds me, what powers for Mephiston? I guess he's going to roll with the Terminators and the Chaplain inside the Stormraven? Used Mephiston on the weekend. Rolled on Biomancy and got Life Leach and Haemorrhage. Lets just say he didn't have the greatest life expectancy... Been rolling BA powers and been really happy. I love the primaris. Everything else is just gravy. Rolled Rage the other day too - 10 attacks on the charge- with rerolls to hit from Chap....devastating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305839-road-to-veterans-2015/page/2/#findComment-4014555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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