Zhukov Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 EDIT: I was wrong, sorry, ignore this threat by all means! I've been following this part of the forum for some weeks and several people now and then mention the Comms Relay, followed by the note that it costs 70 points. A random example of this: Well remember, the Comms Array is 70pts to also ensure your entire NSF arrives Turn 1. That's well worth it, certainly more than 2 Rhinos. I assume the 70 points is made up from the Defense Lines (50) coupled with a Comms Relay (20). This was for sure the cheapest way to get a Comms Relay in the past. However, you can just buy Comms Relay as a fortification in it's own right nowadays, if me and some people I discussed it with aren't wrong. It's in the Stronghold Assault book, which contain the relevant rules as the rulebook alone doesn't cover your needs regarding fielding fortifications anymore since 7th edition. So: Comms Relay costs 20 points minimum, not 70! Can't give you the page number, as I don't own a psychical copy of the book, but I can quote: "BATTLEFIELD DEBRIS The following list summarises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortification in their own right. Comms Relay blah blah" If I'm somehow horribly wrong, then I'll make sure to apologise and feel ashamed for some time! Also because that means I've been cheating hah! Of course you can still just buy the Defense Lines with a Comms Relay if you want the Defense Lines for some reason, which might have been the intend of the person I quoted. But some of you might not know that you can buy a Comms Relay seperately. EDIT: I was wrong, sorry, ignore this threat by all means! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 That was mighty pedantic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 This has been one of those points that has been contested. Basically, the problem is that pg. 19 says, "The following list summarises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to fortifications, or as fortifications in their own right." The problem is they statement can be read to say that somethings can be purchased as upgrades (ammo dump, comms relay, gun emplacement), and somethings can be purchased as fortifications (defense lines, imperial statutory). On pg. 18 under battlements & battlefield it says , "Each fortification can purchase a single Battlement & Battlefield debris from the list below. These are placed either on the fortification's battlements (if it is a building with battlements) or anywhere within 6" of their fortification." From here it seems clear that a fortification is needed to purchase them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 What's the big tournament organizers standpoint on that one? Like does the ITC FAQ mention that exact case? I really like the idea of fielding a Comm-Relay without Aegis but if there are no precedence cases where this was officially sanctioned I don't see my local gaming group allowing anything like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 That was mighty pedantic. In what way if I may ask? English is my 3rd language, so I might very much be unaware of some nuances. My intend is really just to give a potential tip, I'm even taking a risk by virtue of potentially being wrong here! Edit: I think I've spotted the problem myself after carefully reading over my post again. Did you have the idea that this post was hinted at 1 particular person? I ensure you it is not, I'm not thát childish nor hateful. I edited my post in any case. This has been one of those points that has been contested. Basically, the problem is that pg. 19 says, "The following list summarises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to fortifications, or as fortifications in their own right." The problem is they statement can be read to say that somethings can be purchased as upgrades (ammo dump, comms relay, gun emplacement), and somethings can be purchased as fortifications (defense lines, imperial statutory). On pg. 18 under battlements & battlefield it says , "Each fortification can purchase a single Battlement & Battlefield debris from the list below. These are placed either on the fortification's battlements (if it is a building with battlements) or anywhere within 6" of their fortification." From here it seems clear that a fortification is needed to purchase them. Edit: This is actually a more difficult case than I thought, even though I already looked pretty carefully at it. I still think it's perfectly legal, but I'll have another more precise go at it later on I think. In these cases I wish English was my first language though lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 I think I found what makes my interpretation wrong! Hooray! It's not what IndigoJack posted, it's what follows after: "FORTIFICATION DATASHEETS All fortifications and fortification networks have a datasheet that has all the information you'll need to use them in your games. Each datasheet uses up a single fortification slot on the Force Organisation Chart." The Comms Relay doesn't have a datasheet and thus it's not a fortification. I will now refrain from posting for an unspecified amount of time due to being ashamed. Also: I'm sorry, I was wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I will now refrain from posting for an unspecified amount of time due to being ashamed. Also: I'm sorry, I was wrong. The idea was worth exploring. However - I would strongly advise the mods to chain you into the corner-thread where you shall stare against an empty board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4005222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Ah well, as cool as that would've been (we don't have a huge amount of use for an Aegis Line TBH, I'd prefer not to have to buy it either), it wasn't to be. I think this thread has run its course then. One day GW might simply use common sense and sensible language choices, and we wouldn't be left with the confusing mess that is 40k terminology. When pigs fly etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305950-a-potentially-usefull-tip-for-all-of-you/#findComment-4007401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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