First Xenos contact?

[JRS-One]

I'm sure I remember it being mentioned in a book at some point, which Xenos species did humanity first encounter during the dark age of technology?

[spu00sed]

My fuzzy memory says the Orks.

 

I remember some passage, anyway, about the first contact. Lots of mistrust followed by mellenia of war.

[Brother Heinrich]

Man that's one hell of a :cussty race to make first contact with lol

[Daemon2027]

Man that's one hell of a :cussty race to make first contact with lol

Yeah hardly the species that's going yo give you a good impression of the universe.

 

One thing I've always wondered, the Eldar had a massive empire, but they never came to Terra and thought, 'these apes could be a bit of problem'. I understand there all arrogant and probally wouldn't have cared about humanity, but why did they just leave us to get on with things.

[Conn Eremon]

My fuzzy memory says the Orks.

 

I remember some passage, anyway, about the first contact. Lots of mistrust followed by mellenia of war.

I actually don't think so. I seem to recall them encountering some species relatively peacefully before finding the first xenos where one can only have war, the Orks, and up to the Dark Age the Ork were just a particularly violent fluke to an otherwise fruitful series of human-xenos relationships.

 

And then the Emperor came along.

 

Edit:

@Hydra - The Eldar empire was the size of the Eye of Terror. While they were everywhere, their empire was never the size of the Imperium, and not even the Imperium can say they have a presence on every single world inside their borders.

 

But the Webway portal did exist, so a presence is likely. But for all we know, the presence was Exodus, who left us to our own devices (the fools), or the Dark Eldar, whose society existed well before the fall of the Eldar but were perhaps not so . . . extreme in their differences from the rest of their species.

 

For all we know, the infamous manipulations of the Eldar are unique to the Craftworlders post-Slaanesh.

[Slips]

 

My fuzzy memory says the Orks.

 

I remember some passage, anyway, about the first contact. Lots of mistrust followed by mellenia of war.

I actually don't think so. I seem to recall them encountering some species relatively peacefully before finding the first xenos where one can only have war, the Orks, and up to the Dark Age the Ork were just a particularly violent fluke to an otherwise fruitful series of human-xenos relationships.

 

And then the Emperor came along.

 

Well, there was the whole Dark Age of Technology in between those two periods of time, lest we forget :P

[Conn Eremon]

 

 

 

My fuzzy memory says the Orks.

 

I remember some passage, anyway, about the first contact. Lots of mistrust followed by mellenia of war.

I actually don't think so. I seem to recall them encountering some species relatively peacefully before finding the first xenos where one can only have war, the Orks, and up to the Dark Age the Ork were just a particularly violent fluke to an otherwise fruitful series of human-xenos relationships.

 

And then the Emperor came along.

Well, there was the whole Dark Age of Technology in between those two periods of time, lest we forget :P

Which we blamed on our own technological heresies, lest we forget. :wink:

 

Also edited my last post.

[Daemon2027]

HH I see, I thought the a Eldar Empire was Galaxy spanning but what you suggest makes more sence. I got the feeling there was at least Dark Eldar presence in the Solar System at the beginning of the Great Crusade but Im not sure where I got that idea.

 

Wasn't the Dark Age caused by Skynet, I mean rogue AI's?

[Conn Eremon]

The Dark Ages of Technology as the humans experienced it was effectively an AI revolt, a la Dune. The "Iron Men." Old, old lore even posited that the Stone Men were all killed off by the Iron Men, and there are some who theorize that the Stone Men are modern day humans.

 

The galactic period following right on the tail end of the devastating Dark Ages is the Age of Strife, which is the Fall of the Eldar, lasts a few thousand years, and climaxes with the birth of Slaanesh, the formation of the Eye of Terror, and general calming of the Warp that had kept humanity, so soon after being devastated, from reconnecting and stabilizing.

 

Basically, imagine if the extreme violence of both World Wars actually occurred on a global scale, equivalent to the worst happening in the European and Pacific theaters but in every single corner of the world. Americans caught in the siege of New York, Australians counter-invading their own country, millions dying as Rio de Janeiro is taken and retaken over and over again. Both East and West caught up in an all-out fight for survival that drenches every square foot of mother earth with human blood.

 

Imagine a war on that scale finally coming to a close. And imagine that, when it finally does, suddenly every human survivor is cut off from each other. No human community of town or city size is capable of reaching or contacting any another for a couple hundred years. Long enough so that there is nobody else alive who existed at the same time as one of those survivors. A period of time where whole communities collapsed instantly, unable to support themselves. With roving bands of madmen and worse arriving to forcibly, violently take what they want or need from those who have no defense against them, with frightening regularity.

 

And imagine stretching that across an entire galaxy, populations into the pentillions, if that is a real number (five, penta?), with a timescale of thousands of years, and you have an idea of what those two Ages were like for Humanity. About how completely screwed we were, and why, despite being with us this whole time, it is now that the Emperor makes His appearance.

 

And it really makes you think about 40k, which we are told is the worse age Humanity has ever experienced.

 

 

 

About xenos/Solar System, FW has given us quite a few instances of Humanity having to scour Sol clean of xenos, up to and including a whole extra planet put there/built by a xenos race, during the end of the Unification Wars/beginning of the Great Crusade.

[spu00sed]

 

My fuzzy memory says the Orks.

I remember some passage, anyway, about the first contact. Lots of mistrust followed by mellenia of war.

I actually don't think so. I seem to recall them encountering some species relatively peacefully before finding the first xenos where one can only have war, the Orks, and up to the Dark Age the Ork were just a particularly violent fluke to an otherwise fruitful series of human-xenos relationships.

And then the Emperor came along.

Edit:

@Hydra - The Eldar empire was the size of the Eye of Terror. While they were everywhere, their empire was never the size of the Imperium, and not even the Imperium can say they have a presence on every single world inside their borders.

But the Webway portal did exist, so a presence is likely. But for all we know, the presence was Exodus, who left us to our own devices (the fools), or the Dark Eldar, whose society existed well before the fall of the Eldar but were perhaps not so . . . extreme in their differences from the rest of their species.

For all we know, the infamous manipulations of the Eldar are unique to the Craftworlders post-Slaanesh.

Maybe I'm remembering the first contact with orks.

 

I do remember relationships with most xenos was much more Star Trek like. All friendly and fluffy. Not a violent mistrust, full of mutual xenocidial campaigns that we know and love.

[Conn Eremon]

Everything seemed to be going Mankind's way for a while. It just didn't last. Which is why the Tau are so often compared to early space age Humanity. Which is kind of funny, because we are their orks. We're the violent xenos species that wants their entire kind dead.

 

What we hate in xenos is what we are to the xenos.

 

And you know what?

 

As it damn well should be.

[depthcharge12]

Mmmh.

 

The only good xenos is a dead xenos.

 

I believe it was Orks and Eldar as our first contacts. Orks have always been the enemy we love to hate.

[Brother Heinrich]

I have to say, nothing makes me happier than reading BL fiction where Tau or Eldar end up being disappointed in mankind's blind rage and need for destruction. It reminds me of the fight between Russ and Angron, they keep insisting we're destroying ourselves and losing and we're like, "Yeah? I CANT HEAR YOU THROUGH MY BOOT ON YOUR FACE!"

[GhostMalone]

I have to say, nothing makes me happier than reading BL fiction where Tau or Eldar end up being disappointed in mankind's blind rage and need for destruction. It reminds me of the fight between Russ and Angron, they keep insisting we're destroying ourselves and losing and we're like, "Yeah? I CANT HEAR YOU THROUGH MY BOOT ON YOUR FACE!"

Hell when there's no more xenos we turn on our own race were worse than orks because we justify our civil wars whereas orks just give into nature we give our nature subtext

 

Conquer the known universe after commuting atrocities against God knows how many xenos races, run out of xenos start the biggest civil war the imperium will ever know.

 

Why? Just because

[Conn Eremon]

That's . . . actually a fairly accurate comparison.

 

Which only goes to show how bad the Imperium really gets.

[Brother Heinrich]

No not just because, just because REASONS.

[GhostMalone]

That's . . . actually a fairly accurate comparison.

 

Which only goes to show how bad the Imperium really gets.

Need to keep drinking then as im feeling relatively adapt at articulating after 7 scotch and cokes; just had a hard day at work and I'm kicking back while doing my paperwork.

 

But on topic;

 

At the end of the day if our race does make contact war will be inevitable as a race we truly can never attain peace as our nature is still one of survival coexistence can not work alongside xenos as our lives are instinctual the most precious thing and that's why we turn on ourselves from nation vs nation to state vs state to town vs town down to family vs family to brother vs brother

 

It is our nature to fight compete and burn everything around us.

 

We all have rivals enemies and so on but we will put that aside to face a bigger threat once that threat is eliminated we turn on ourselves yet again.

[depthcharge12]

Nothing unites humans like killing other humans.

 

Nothing unites humanity like killing Xenos.

 

When we run out of Xenos...what do we have left?

[Slips]

Nothing unites humans like killing other humans.

 

Nothing unites humanity like killing Xenos.

 

When we run out of Xenos...what do we have left?

Other. Galaxies.

[GhostMalone]

@ Depthcharge12- my point exactly there's a reason why prejudices and racism exist it's a horrible truth but it's our nature this is why we're capable of genocide war crimes and countless other "evils"

[DuskRaider]

Well I believe the Blood Axe Clan was the first to encounter humans, and it's implied that they may have gotten along with them for some time, both in trading and being hired to battle for the human settlements. Over time that changed, of course.

[Hyaenidae]

The event that marked the end of the Unification of the Sol System, and the Great Crusade's Launch, was the complete annihilation of an xenos world-ship at the edge of the solar system. The Emperor brought to bear the entire Imperial Fleet on the planet-construct, and wiped it from existence.

 

Maybe not the first, but I think the most significant. That was the moment humanity screamed across the galaxy in one unified voice, saying "This is All Ours now, creatures of the dark. You have no power over us any longer. Kneel, and death will be swift and merciful."

[GhostMalone]

At the end of the day xenos fear our race that's why the eldar dark eldar and even the tau hate protracted conflicts with us, sure from a distance they talk tough but once were in close the blood Lust and trigger happiness of our race turns them into little but red bloody clots

[Carlson793]

The 'Dusk Wraiths' (Dark Eldar) were active on Nocturne prior to the arrival of Vulkan (prior to the Great Crusade). At age four (yet a full adult for a year), Vulkan beat back a Dusk Wraith attack on Hesiod. During the following celebration, the 'Outlander' (the Emperor) appeared.

 

Don't know about 'first contact', but we were aware of xenos in the opening days of the Imperium.

[Olis]

According to Betrayal, Imperial forces encountered "alien invaders" on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Judging by the fact that the Moon and Mars were human affairs, I'd say this was likely the first instances of Imperial contact with xenos.