Ulrik_Ironfist Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I think GW is trying to get everything updated to 7th edition, because they want it to be the next stable edition. 6th was trying a lot of new things, and I guess we could just say that 6th was really the beta release for 7th edition. 7th edition seems to want to go back to the days of 3rd edition, where the armies diversified but really stayed simple, with not a lot of customization (at least that's the way I remember it, I didn't play a lot of games back then). The guard are going to get a 7th edition book, provided 7th edition is the new stable ruleset, it's just a matter of when. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 It would be nice to get a formation that allows a few more heavy support slots! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The current plastics are ok (unless you're talking Catachan) so having some of them would be fine I'm sure if a new box suddenly appeared. The Cadian appearance is iconic now so it surely won't change, it'd give you some nice variety. They could do with a bit more in pose and such and weaponry which is the main thing they need so there's nothing stopping you starting now. That aside the future is unknown, so for all we know you could be sitting and waiting for some time. No time like the present and all that ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Idk. The fact that the full size version of the IG codex is no longer available makes apprehensive. Hence why I've focused on my black templars, they have already been skrewed over, so it can't get any worse right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Even if it does the merits of an army transcend a mere codex ;) The full size codex has just been replaced by the smaller one and paperback which is probably more GW back pedalling on hardback codices than anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zectz Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I hope they release a box set for rough riders. Even if they are a 'bad' unit I still think there should be a kit for them if they are in the codex... New IG codex will be a long way off. The rumors running around are that we'll be seeing Dark Angels, Chaos of some kind and then Space Marines/Tau later on in the year. Not including that Assassins 'set/campaign' (trailer coming next week). So I doubt we'll see a new IG update till after the new year and that's perfectly fine since the codex is balanced in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 If When they release RRs have no fear, they will likely mysteriously receive improvements that make them well worth taking... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Rough riders don't seem bad. I mean they're not the greatest melee unit, but guard isn't meant for melee. I'd use rough riders a bit differently than I think most people would. They'd also be a nice flavorful addition to my army (I'm kinda going for a modern Special Operations force, with a steampunk/turn of the century feel), and US Army Special Forces operated on horseback in Afghanistan just before the main US invasion, we used mules during WW2 in the Burma theater, as well as in the Alps, so it seems to fit my theme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zectz Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Rough riders don't seem bad. I mean they're not the greatest melee unit, but guard isn't meant for melee. I'd use rough riders a bit differently than I think most people would. They'd also be a nice flavorful addition to my army (I'm kinda going for a modern Special Operations force, with a steampunk/turn of the century feel), and US Army Special Forces operated on horseback in Afghanistan just before the main US invasion, we used mules during WW2 in the Burma theater, as well as in the Alps, so it seems to fit my theme. I don't want to derail the thread from the topic but Rough Riders are just plain and simply terrible for their points cost. It doesn't matter if guard are meant for melee or not. That same logic would say Kroot should are a bad unit, but they are good for what they do and at their points cost. A unit shouldn't be bad just because the overall army's theme doesn't fit the unit. They should have a role, and do that role in a balanced manner relative to their points cost. Nobody is asking to turn RR into a stellar or deathstar melee unit. But they really need changing to be useful and worth the points cost. I like the fluff behind them and think they are a cool concept, but as of right now you might as well remove them from the codex since they are terrible and there aren't even any models for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4012992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 A Wyvern, to me, is rubbish as I don't play the way to which I would utilize it effectively. It isn't worth the point cost, to me. Should they be removed from the game? This is a game made up of choices. Just because something seems subjectively terrible to you doesn't mean anything to me and vice versa. There have been units in this game which have never had a model or whose model has been out for twenty years. Veterans, for example, have no set models. Did I mention this game is made up of creativity, as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4013029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 As I've said before Rough Riders would benefit from a more dragoon approach but they definitely need improvement. They need the right army build and a canny general to be made use of, but only if you're fully aware of what they bring to the table for the cost. GW have mistreated our cavalry for too long so as I'm always saying I really hope this is fixed when our next codex arrived. The Wyvern is great, as soon as I saw the stats for it I knew it'd be a star but I can never love it because it took my Griffons away... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4013169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't have a lot of money to invest in 40k right now (read: none at all), so I'm trying to work with what I have, and plan for a future build. I have enough models to build a fun allied up 1850 list (knight, AM, and Scions). It's not competitive (I don't think so anyway, but who knows?), and I don't care. But I do have a direction I want to go, and I'm going to try to impose a limitation on myself, to not buy any more models until I have painted what I have (some wolves, some necrons, some dark angels, my tau, A knight, and my Guard). I have a lot of painting work to do before I can buy any more models. Right now I have an entire army of scions and no real armor (I have 2 taurox primes, a valkyrie, and a vendetta). My army is really low model count for a guard army of ~1500 points. My troops are expensive, my vehicles are low AV, my weapons hit hard, and I need to take allies to be effective at higher points, but I was going to do that anyway. I 'd hate to see IG get relegated to the same realm as DEldar, Tyranids and Sisters of Battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4013569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 IG won't be relegated, the days of a poor codex are long behind us :) We're pretty much set and I'm sure GW knows this so short of something imbecilic there should be nothing to worry about. It would be nice to get Marbo back at some point too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306160-new-7th-codex-and-box-sets-discussion/page/2/#findComment-4013616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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