[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[Frostmourne]

Okay here are a few more questions.

 

What is the point of Calas Typhons Chem Bombardment being Ordanance?

 

How is best to use Mortarion on his own? Can you use him on his own?

 

Do Thudd Guns get the Poisonsed rules or anything from Legion rules?

[Hesh Kadesh]

Not especially. But then agains, it can't really be called an assault weapon. Note that being SNP doesn't allow him to move and fire, and it requires him to not mkve, as opposed to Horus who just requires Stationary (Relentless means he is stationary).

 

It is always best to use Mortarion on his own, IMHO. Until he comes up against a Primarch or Contemptor, in which case a nearby unit of Grave Wardens or Tartaros Termins with Power or Chainfists provide a good deterrent thanks.

 

If you see MC's have him make a beeline as fast as possible for them. MC's kill Legiones (unless running multiple Leviathan Dreads, which is nearly 2.5-3x more expensive than MC's) but Mortarion is flat instagibber. I don't think there is another primarch as capable.

 

No, Poisoned rounds may not be added to Thudd Guns.

[1ncarnadine]

Just got out of the shopping line at the weekender and went straight to the new Death Guard stuff in Book VI & the new red book.

 

Sons of Barbarus was changed: we now have a 4+ FNP roll against all Poison & Fleshbane. 

 

so, Sweep Attack and Unwieldy did get exchanged for Reaping Blow: fight at -1 Initiative in assault and gain +1 attack if in base contact with more than one enemy model at their own Init step. YES.

 

And what's that?? Yes, Silence has Reaping Blow as well. No change to Poison 4+ missiles but it now combines with the new RoW, so that's ok.

 

Oh hey and did you know? GRAVE WARDEN CAN OVERWATCH WITH THE DEATH CLOUD DESPITE CATAPHRACTII. Yaasssssss this is good

 

The RoW is Creeping Death:

Infantry in the detachment gain 5+ cover saves in the open as long as they're 12" away from an enemy model.

You get a pregame biochem bombardment that wrecks terrain by making the cover save worse & making it difficult terrain.

All frag and missiles in the detachment increased to S5...

Drawbacks: Traitor only RoW, no Shattered Legions either, must have a Siege Breaker, must always be Attacker, no Fortifications. 

 

Virtually no disadvantages a good amount of the time for us other than a Siege Breaker. So. That's cool.

 

I think that's it! I'll reread it later but I'm going to go head to a seminar now.

[Caillum]

Thanks for the update LetsYouDown! That's all great news for Death Guard players! :)

[Charlo]

Not bad, love the Warden overwatch the most there, and scythes.

 

The S5 frag and poison 4+ seem a little redundant though.

[RedInventor]

So hype!

[Leonite]

And all that has just made my Deathshroud all the more useful! 

[Excessus]

Aren't you taking a siege breaker anyway nowadays for the phosphex quad mortar shells? :P

[RedInventor]

Must have one of those new red books! Super hyped.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Massive buff for DG. Terminator horde, please. Are Deathshroud now HQ, Elite or HQ+elite? Phosphex Mortars as well, yes. Sorry, just yes. Of course Barrage AP2 Crawling Fire Ignores Cover is good. Why woukd it not be? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GET 12 OF THEM?

[DuskRaider]

In the current Legions Red Book, Deathshroud are HQ only. I'm not gonna lie, the new RoW is extremely underwhelming. Like the change to Silence / Power Scythes. Cool that Grave Wardens can Overwatch. But yeah... Creeping Death is disappointing, especially when compared to other new Legion RoWs.

[Charlo]

Honestly just the reaping and the upgrades make for an insanely food army now :D

[DuskRaider]

I play Pride of the Legion anyhow, but I've been building up Heavy Support Squads for The Reaping. Glad to see new Heavy Weapon patterns, should add some variety.

[Enigami]

While a little disappointed at the new RoW and the ap value of the posphex mortar (oh well, still pretty good and very fluffy), I'm loving the rest of the changes! Deathshroud are so good now. I just hope they can be taken as elites now too!

[1ncarnadine]

Massive buff for DG. Terminator horde, please. Are Deathshroud now HQ, Elite or HQ+elite? Phosphex Mortars as well, yes. Sorry, just yes. Of course Barrage AP2 Crawling Fire Ignores Cover is good. Why woukd it not be? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GET 12 OF THEM?

 

They're listed as literally "HQ/Elites" so we can finally put that to rest. Double-FOC choice unit! :D

 

I did not even get through enough of Retribution to find the phosphex launcher rules and I wouldn't have noticed unless some of you mentioned it here. This book is crazy packed with good things, to the extent that if I open the book looking for something I usually end up somewhere else and forget what I was originally looking for. Every time.

[RedInventor]

I see so much phosphex in the future.

[1000 Sons]

I am not sure where this belief that Death Shroud are only HQ came from, in the Betrayal book and after it always stated that the legion specific death shroud are an elites choice or a body guard choice.

 

Is the +1 str only to frag missiles, or krak as well ?  You wrote it down saying frag and missiles.

 

5+ cover save for assault marines bouncing down the field is nice bonus, add in night fighting and we got some nice infantry.

Edited February 7, 2016 by 1000 sons

[DuskRaider]

Red Isstvan Legions book actually has Deathshroud listed as HQ only.

[1000 Sons]

In my red book, the first page of the death guard in the section Legion Specific Units & Wargear it has the same thing at Betrayal, says death shroud are elites, or replace command squad.

[DuskRaider]

Hmph... mine says HQ. Srsly.

[depthcharge12]

Massive buff for DG. Terminator horde, please. Are Deathshroud now HQ, Elite or HQ+elite? Phosphex Mortars as well, yes. Sorry, just yes. Of course Barrage AP2 Crawling Fire Ignores Cover is good. Why woukd it not be? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GET 12 OF THEM?

Do you have something to tell us Hesh?

 

Are you secretly a...Death Gaurd player? Has the Alpha Legion been not your highest priority? ARE YOU A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN LEGION?!?!

 

Sickening.

 

;)

[Hesh Kadesh]

Alpha Legion is every legion. No other legion exists. The heresy is just the alpha Legion fighting itself.

[1ncarnadine]

I am not sure where this belief that Death Shroud are only HQ came from, in the Betrayal book and after it always stated that the legion specific death shroud are an elites choice or a body guard choice.

 

Is the +1 str only to frag missiles, or krak as well ?  You wrote it down saying frag and missiles.

 

5+ cover save for assault marines bouncing down the field is nice bonus, add in night fighting and we got some nice infantry.

 

Well, it doesn't actually say +1 strength. The line is "Frag grenades and missiles are increased to strength 5" so pretty clear about no krak missile bonus unfortunately. I also noticed that the terrain degrading effect is only for wood or jungle terrain, although it can potentially wreck all the jungle terrain on a table because the Death Guard are dicks like that. But you're SOL if you're commonly playing on urban boards, unfortunately. It's a cool enough idea but probably best in general to stick to The Reaping or a generic rite.

 

Oh and I guess the text on the Favoured of Mortarion rule changed as well, though I didn't notice it this morning:

http://i.imgur.com/4PkmZie.jpg?3

 

Extra clarification is good.

[DuskRaider]

There we go. So now you CAN take Deathshroud in a PotL list as Troops... even though it goes completely against the fluff.

 

The Reaping with Siege Breaker, Phosphex Medusas and Phosophex Thudd Guns may be a lot of fun. Maybe a Primaris or two to really spread the Phosphex love.

Edited February 8, 2016 by DuskRaider

[Vaz]

Taken from Garro's post @ Heresyonline - http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/5934-garros-weekender-info-dump/page-4

 

Death Guard

• may re-roll dangerous terrain tests, regardless of what the terrain is
• instead of forcing successful rolls to wound with poison and fleshbane, DG get FNP(4+) instead
• power scythes lose unwieldy and the ability to replace attack value with number of enemy models in base contact with the following
  'reaping blow': -1 initiative, if in base contact with more than one model at their initiative step, they gain +1 attack
• grave warden toxin rule replaced with 'poison(3+)' on death cloud and grenade launcher
• deathshroud can be taken as a HQ or elites choice, plus as a command squad for a terminator praetor or mortarion. 
• mortarion's scythe is no longer unwieldy, replaced with 'reaping blow'.
• mortarion's witch spite only affects malediction powers affecting him or his squad 

 

Grave warden grenade storm? soaking those wounds...

 

And as someone said prior, pride of the legion with deathshroud.

 

Frankly I think a Terminator list of DG could be pretty damn scary.