[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[DuskRaider]

Terminator-heavy Death Guard ARE awesome. Also extremely pricey points wise.

[1000 Sons]

Toxin becoming poisoned 3+ is awesome.  Do the Grave Warden's still have the effect of disorganized charge and having to make dangerous terrain checks when charged ?  That sounds crazy being able to over watch with 3+ poison, then dangerous terrain checks and disorganized charge.

[Charlo]

Considering I have Morty, some DS and Wardens... May well make up a little DG force for the lulz.

 

Csn you have Primarchs in ZM? :P I suppose with that new RoW you can! Taking Morty as HQ.

 

Death is in the shadowed corridors hehe

[Flint13]

Damn, Mortarion would be hella nasty in ZM.

 

Being able to shadow walk through tons of walls that would confound normal infantry is just magic.

[1000 Sons]

We had an apocalypse game with a ZM section, Morty got in there and said hello to some of Slipstreams Imperial Fist termies.

[Memento Of Prospero]

We had an apocalypse game with a ZM section, Morty got in there and said hello to some of Slipstreams Imperial Fist termies.

 

Burn the Witch!

[disease]

Does the net of all this make us any good now? I mean, the DG were never top tier, but would you guys say this has improved our position somewhat? I know that sons of horus and iron warriors got a huge boost, but im not familiar with the other legion's tweaks

[Slips]

Reaping Blow makes Mortarion and Deathshroud MUCH more powerful than they were before.

 

For Deathshroud that equates to S+1 AP2 at I3 Gaining Bonus attacks for having more than one model in B2B. Coupled with Tartaros TDA permitting them to make Sweeping Advances and theyre a Nasty Combat unit.

 

For Mortarion thats S7 Ap2 Instant Death at I4 with the same bonus of Bonus Attacks for more models in B2B.

 

Grave Wardens now having flat Poisoned 3+ to their Cloud also makes it much more effective at actually doing its job as is their ability to Overwatch despite being in Cataphractii.

[disease]

Sorry if already covered, has it been confirmed that deathshroud are definately in tartaros? I also assume that DG still have penalties to combat resolution /sweep attacks due to imolacable?

[Slips]

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99590102139_DeathGuardDeathshroudTerminators01.jpg

 

Couple with:

 

 

Terminator Armour (Great Crusade & Horus Heresy Era, Updated Rules) – CAL page 91 The rules text for this entry is replaced with the following update:

 

Depending on its particular pattern, Terminator armour may also confer additional rules and abilities to its wearer. If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army

 

 

And with how different they are from:

 

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99590102176_LegionDeathGuardGraveWardenTerminators01.jpg

 

Who are specifically stated to be in Cataphractii.

 

I'd say: yes. Tartaros.

[Charlo]

Yeah, DG got a fair chunk of power and flavour back. Wardens are premier defensive terminators (D3 overwatch hits per dude, forcing disordered charges, power Fists, 4++) and Shroud are really good offensive (4 I3 S5 AP2 attacks each, so you hurt all other normal units and ignore saves before they strike back, can sweep advance).

 

Preators are even a good shot for Scythes now instead of auto paragon blade, as you can get an extra attack and ap2 at a faster initiative than most opponents still - plus rule of cool.

 

Not seen a true write up of our new Rites yet (would like to see a screen shot) but only affecting woods sucks a tad... S5 frag missiles mean you can spam saves with missile squads - but without the reaping making them troops could be a hard take in the heavy support slot. 5+ cover is nice in the open but I'm not sure still.

 

The Fleshbane and poison FNP4+ is a straight up buff, making us as resistant to nasty stuff as we should be :)

 

Also Morty WAS a monster. Now he's downright terrifying.

[Kilofix]

Wait, what changed with Phosphex again?

[Slips]

Nothing.

 

Quad Mortars just have gotten the added option of buying S4 Ap3 Phosphex Shells if a Siege Breaker is Present.

[Kilofix]

Massive buff for DG. Terminator horde, please. Are Deathshroud now HQ, Elite or HQ+elite? Phosphex Mortars as well, yes. Sorry, just yes. Of course Barrage AP2 Crawling Fire Ignores Cover is good. Why woukd it not be? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GET 12 OF THEM?

Where does Ignores Cover come from? Or are we referring to two different weapons?

[DuskRaider]

Here's the part of the HH FAQ that I don't know has been overruled at this point... it would seem to indicate that Deathshroud (and Justaerin) are ineligible for Pride of the Legion:

 

Q: In the case of the ‘Pride of the Legion’ Rite of War, Veteran and Terminator squads are

Troops choices in the force; could you clarify the exact squads which fall into these categories?

A: In this case specifically this means Veteran Tactical squads and Legion Terminator squads only, so Justaerin and Deathshroud Terminators are not included in this. Any Legion -specific units in future Horus Heresy books which do qualify for this Rite of War will have this fact explicitly stated in their unit description.

Edited February 9, 2016 by DuskRaider

[Slips]

 

Here's the part of the HH FAQ that I don't know has been overruled at this point... it would seem to indicate that Deathshroud (and Justaerin) are ineligible for Pride of the Legion:

 

Q: In the case of the ‘Pride of the Legion’ Rite of War, Veteran and Terminator squads are

Troops choices in the force; could you clarify the exact squads which fall into these categories?

A: In this case specifically this means Veteran Tactical squads and Legion Terminator squads only, so Justaerin and Deathshroud Terminators are not included in this. Any Legion -specific units in future Horus Heresy books which do qualify for this Rite of War will have this fact explicitly stated in their unit description.

 

If thats not from this FAQ: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf 

 

Then its pretty much invalid since LA:CAL made any Terminator Unit that can be taken as Elites Eligible.

[DuskRaider]

Hmph...you're probably right, considering no specific Terminator unit is listed on any future FAQ, just Elite Terminators in general. Still wish it was Grave Wardens rather than Deathshroud though.

[disease]

Good shout on the scythe now being more useful for a preator - makes this guy worth finishing now:

 

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W30k/9826C212-545D-4B3F-A86A-6E44F90EF81A_zpsbfkpdljn.jpg

 

He should be able to get loads of AP2 attacks at I4, with rad grenades

[Charlo]

I'd be lying Disease if I didn't have that model in mind when I said it!

 

Saw it around the forums :D

[Charlo]

Hmph...you're probably right, considering no specific Terminator unit is listed on any future FAQ, just Elite Terminators in general. Still wish it was Grave Wardens rather than Deathshroud though.

If you need anymore "proof" they also moved IW Tyrant terminators to heavy support to stop them from running rocket vomit lists.

 

Grave Warden troops with thier improvements would now be similarly OP.

 

"Come at me bro"

[Hesh Kadesh]

 

Massive buff for DG. Terminator horde, please. Are Deathshroud now HQ, Elite or HQ+elite? Phosphex Mortars as well, yes. Sorry, just yes. Of course Barrage AP2 Crawling Fire Ignores Cover is good. Why woukd it not be? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GET 12 OF THEM?

Where does Ignores Cover come from? Or are we referring to two different weapons?

Pbosphex isn't Ignores Cover? Been a while since I used it bexause every other platform running it had other best in slot options.

[DuskRaider]

 

Hmph...you're probably right, considering no specific Terminator unit is listed on any future FAQ, just Elite Terminators in general. Still wish it was Grave Wardens rather than Deathshroud though.

If you need anymore "proof" they also moved IW Tyrant terminators to heavy support to stop them from running rocket vomit lists.

 

Grave Warden troops with thier improvements would now be similarly OP.

 

"Come at me bro"

I highly doubt they'd be OP, especially because their weapons are only effective against infantry unless they get into CC. Now that Justaerin got their improved stats, they are much more of a threat than Grave Wardens could ever dream of being. While the updates are a boon to the unit, it still doesn't change the fact that they're in a highly competitive slot with much better options. It's a shame, really. The models are great and they'd make a great Death Guard RoW coupled with Destroyers as a Troops choice.

[Charlo]

Justaerian Charge Grave Wardens. They don't get extra attacks for furious charge. They have to eat D3 hits per GW for over watch. They then get instant desth'd by the Wardens Fists. WS5 helps but with the lost attacks it's a pretty even fight!

[Hesh Kadesh]

Apples and oranges. You cannot judge a unit by how well it does against its competition. Or else ot is rock paper scissors. Rock vs rock is the, but it is one other, Justaerin are beggared.

 

Justaerin are more threatening now (although the additional 50pt hike was a tad excessive, 235 was about right IMHO), while Grave Wardens just gained an unexpected buff that likely came from FW's actual understanding 4 years down the line of what SNP does. But GWardens still cannot actually do anything theybdidn't before.

 

Justaerin now actually have the ability to go into a unit and chew through them. They have the wpunds that their profile required.

[depthcharge12]

Justaerian Charge Grave Wardens. They don't get extra attacks for furious charge. They have to eat D3 hits per GW for over watch. They then get instant desth'd by the Wardens Fists. WS5 helps but with the lost attacks it's a pretty even fight!

Lol Furious charge is bonus strength, I think you're thinking of rage. They'd get it from Merciless fighters, but that only running non unwieldy weapons.