[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[Charlo]

Rule of cool and if you are getting close, definately worth it. Especially in the reaping where you'll be wounding on a 2+ as well.

 

Sadly, it's not a downright OP as the power Glaive but it gets the job done. I'm fully in the boat that the Scars got the Glaive though to make up for the low model count of thier conventional armies.

[DuskRaider]

Power Scythes are definitely viable these days... the rules update makes them very formidable and gives Deathshroud a definitive advantage over most other Legion-specific / Command Squad options.

 

As far as the new RoW? It sucks. I'm not sure what FW was thinking when they designed it, but when compared to The Reaping (and even a lot of generic RoWs) it just doesn't add up. The only real advantage you'll see that's not EXTREMELY circumstantial is the +1 S to Grenades... and that alone is not worth it, especially when it even restricts the ability to take allies. Best way to tackle the new one? Pretend it doesn't exist.

[Charlo]

There is something to be said about a gun line army that always has a 5+ cover save at least pretty much. Even better if you combine with mass apothecaries.

 

On a jungle board that would work even better.

 

Ten dudes firing frag missiles is akin to a better set of quad launchers too I suppose, and having an extra S5 blast attack from each squad in the army can't hurt.

[DuskRaider]

When you have to play on a specific board in order to get use out of it, you know it's not good. I'm sorry man, this is good compared to not running a RoW at all, but when compared to pretty much any other one it's doo doo.

[Komplot]

In your opinions what kind of terminator heavy list would be viable??

More deathshroud or are the normal ones still ok? Would they just get shot up midfield before doing anything?

Edited March 22, 2016 by Komplot

[Charlo]

In your opinions what kind of terminator heavy list would be viable??

 

Anything really!

 

Orbital assault is pretty damn great with the Sons of Barbarus so they can all deep strike.

 

Your HQ is a Preator in TDA.

Centurions to taste.

Elites (or even other HQ!) is Death Shroud

Heavy Support is Grave Wardens

 

Plus you have Heavy Flamer Support squads with chem flamers that shred in pods.

 

Or you can go truly evil and go with Pride of the legion, this lets you take tanks but less deep striking.

 

Everything above plus you get normal TDA as troops!

[Komplot]

Humm i like the sound of both, i like deepstrike.... but I also want dreads and quad mortars... 

I will think about it and maybe come up with a list :)

[Slips]

If you are running a TDA-Based OA list, you'll stil want some amount of resilient Pod Units to automatically drop down T1 to avoid auto losing since they're still restricted to rolling for reserves on T2 onwards.

 

I'd personally look into Pride of the Legion and using Dreadclaws as Transports where possible.

 

So something like:

 

+++ Death Guard Terminator Drop (3000pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3000pts) ++

 

+ HQ (290pts) +

 

Deathshroud Terminator Squad (290pts) [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 4x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs]

 

+ Troops (580pts) +

 

Deathshroud Terminator Squad (290pts) [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 4x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs]

 

Deathshroud Terminator Squad (290pts) [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 4x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs]

 

+ Elites (480pts) +

 

Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon (240pts)

··Cortus Dreadnought [Chainfist with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod]

 

Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon (240pts)

··Cortus Dreadnought [Chainfist with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod]

 

+ Heavy Support (980pts) +

 

Grave Warden Terminator Squad (310pts) [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 4x Grave Warden Terminator, Heavy Flamer with Chem-munitions]

··Chem-master [Deathshroud Power Scythe]

 

Grave Warden Terminator Squad (310pts) [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 4x Grave Warden Terminator, Heavy Flamer with Chem-munitions]

··Chem-master [Deathshroud Power Scythe]

 

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (360pts)

··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Chem-munitions, Cyclonic Melta Lance, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Leviathan Siege Drill]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [Traitor, XIV: Death Guard]

 

+ Lord of War (670pts) +

 

Mortarion the Reaper (670pts)

··Deathshroud Terminator Squad [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 3x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs]

··Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

 

Thats a total of 9 Pods. So 4 or 5 Drop town T1 followed by the Rest T2.

 

I would have to recheck on if Grave Wardens can take a Dreadclaw though...

[Komplot]

Now that is a thing of beauty....

I would absolutely love to play something like that It would be epic but I need to scale down to 2000pts because I need to build towards something more short term. I can build up to a list like that but I just don't have the money sadly. i will take your idea and try something with it!!

[Slips]

Scrap Moratrion and His Squad and 1 Grave Warden Squad. That should roughly be 1k Points. Remove Melta Bombs as necessary from Deathshroud.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Komplot]

Soooooo came up with a list from yours Slips, I used models I liked so do say if it is infective in any way :)

HQ:

Legion Consul: Delegatus, Cataphract armor + epic scythe 105pts

Deathsroud: x4 melta bombs 190pts

Elites:

Deathsroud: x4 melta bombs 190pts

Deathsroud: x4  170pts

Rapier weapons battery: 2x thud guns, pods 190pts

Heavy Support:

Grave Wardens: x5 140pts

Fire Raptor: reaper autocannons,  210pts

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Melta, seige drill, armored ceramite, chem 380pts

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Grav, storm canon, chem 365pts

How does that look?? Is the fire raptor good? or more terms or even the cortus?? by the way what is so good about the cortus? 

ps thank you very much for the help it is very apreciated :)

[Charlo]

Problem is it looks like your terminators are walking? They'll just get shot to pieces!

[Komplot]

The orbital strike row gives them deepstrike, is it still a problem?

one issue that I forgot is that I have 4 heavy support choices any advice on what I should do?

Edited March 22, 2016 by Komplot

[Charlo]

Ah! Didn't realise you were doing OA!

 

Besides 4 heavy support you also need some troops choices - tactical squads in drop pods will do just fine! Sergeant with a power scythe if you're feeling super awesome.

 

Personally I'd drop the raptor. In the HH setting it's just going to pink off power armour (bar the main gun of course, that will plink off Artificer armour sergeants!) and anti infantry is covered in spades by Deathshroud and Grave Wardens!

 

In terms of the Delegatus too, consider Tartaros armour. That way he could join the Deathshroud and still sweeping advance with them. One guy with a scythe amongst a squad full of power fists may dilute the unit's effectiveness.

[Komplot]

Ok revised list!!!

1995pts

HQ:

Legion Consul: Delegatus, Trataros armor + epic scythe 105pts

Deathsroud: x4 melta bombs 190pts

Troops:

Legion support squad 6x (with sarg) flamer drop pod 150pts

Legion support squad 6x (with sarg) flamer drop pod 150pts

Elites:

Deathsroud: x4 melta bombs 190pts

Deathsroud: x4  170pts

Rapier weapons battery: 1x thud guns, pods 95pts

Heavy Support:

Grave Wardens: x5 140pts

Fire Raptor: reaper autocannons,  210pts

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Melta, seige drill, armored ceramite, chem 380pts

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Grav, storm canon, chem 365pts

Changes and additions in bold

by the way what do you think of the load outs for the dreadnoughts, things are getting pretty squeezed for points, like all my list!!

[Slips]

I would also STRONGLY advise against ever giving a Leviathan Dread two Shooting Arms its a waste of potential.

 

Thing is, Deathshroud are only troops under Pride of the Legion. Switch that out to Orbital Assault and you now need Tac, Breacher or Assault Squads to fill the compulsory Selections.

 

Also, Tac Support Squads aren't available as compulsory selections.

 

I will say that Deepstriking Terminators who are Primarily Assault based such as Deathshroud is usually a death sentence for them since they will get drowned in firepower to assure that they dont get into CC. With Shed Hand Flamers, they dont have that much of a shooting threat but can at least mitigate getting charged.

 

Its the main reason why I gave them Dreadclaws. It gives them an Assault Transport, Deepstrike Option, Protection Against Small Arms fire and a transportation method that can quickly get across the board.

 

A Single Thudd Gun also wont do much of anything for your list.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Komplot]

1995pts

HQ:

Legion Consul: Delegatus, Trataros armor + epic scythe 105pts

Deathsroud: x4 melta bombs anvilus pod 190pts

Troops:

Deathsroud: x4  anvilus pod 270pts

Deathsroud: x4  anvilus pod 270pts

Heavy Support:

Grave Wardens: x5 anvilus pod heavy flamer 140pts

 

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Melta, seige drill, armored ceramite, chem 380pts

Leviathan siege Dreadnought: pod, Grav, claw, armored ceramite chem 365pts

ok i think we are good!! thank you so much for the advice you guys are amazing!!

[Marshal Loss]

 

The Reaping (2500pts)

Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts)

• HQ (200pts)
  • Deathshroud Terminator Squad (200pts)

    4x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

• Troops (545pts)
  • Legion Heavy Support Squad (185pts)

    Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamers, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 4x Legion Space Marines

    • Legion Sergeant

      Augury Scanner, Rad Grenades

  • Legion Tactical Squad (180pts)

    9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox

    • Legion Tactical Sergeant

      Deathshroud Power Scythe, Melta Bombs

  • Legion Tactical Squad (180pts)

    9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox

    • Legion Tactical Sergeant

      Deathshroud Power Scythe, Melta Bombs

• Elites (450pts)
  • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (225pts)
    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

  • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (225pts)
    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

    • Legion Rapier Weapons Battery

      Graviton Cannon

• Heavy Support (880pts)
  • Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts)

    Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer

  • Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts)

    Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa

  • Legion Spartan Assault Tank (350pts)

    Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield

• Legion
  • Legion Astartes

    Traitor, XIV: Death Guard

• Lord of War (425pts)
  • Mortarion the Reaper (425pts)

    Primarch

    • Master of the Legion

      The Reaping

 

 

What do people think of this? Putting together 2500 of DG as 'allies' for my SoH, list has been slightly amended as a result of the noble Letsyoudown. It should get the HK Graviton tick of approval and won't struggle with Spartans/Vehicles at all, but I am a little concerned that there are too few Tactical Marines in the list. Should I drop a single rapier to expand the squads or put them in Rhinos (fully merchanised wouldn't quite feel DG to me), or will throwing the 2x10 Tacticals in cover and using the Nuncio-Voxes to direct Medusa's be enough?

[DuskRaider]

A Terminator heavy army is best when transported around the board in Land Raiders or Spartans. If course, this makes the army much more cost prohibitive, but backed by some nasty distractions or a good heavy hitting LoW, they can cause a lot of issues for the B@C lists that you'll see these days.

[Komplot]

I also like the idea of landraider termies aswell so I think at some point I will invest in a spartan and some normal raiders to have more list building options

[Charlo]

Got bored of seeing massed Terminator lists with DG so decided to use some of The Reaping's other talents...

 

A little light on anti AV14, but who cares! Spartan can get to my lines for all I care, most of whatever is inside will eventually die to the firepower!

 

Plus what is more DG than a host of grim mofo's staring you down and forcing you to walk through the wasteland they are casually making around you.

 

 

+++ DG (2985pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2985pts) ++

+ HQ (155pts) +

Legion Centurion (155pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Deathshroud Power Scythe, Phosphex Bombs, Rad Grenades]
····Consul [siege Breaker]

+ Troops (1390pts) +

Legion Heavy Support Squad (275pts) [Heavy Flamers, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 8x Legion Space Marines]
····Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades]

Legion Heavy Support Squad (275pts) [8x Legion Space Marines, Missile Launchers]
····Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner]

Legion Heavy Support Squad (330pts) [8x Legion Space Marines, Volkite Culverin]
····Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Rad Grenades]

Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Deathshroud Power Scythe, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades]

Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Deathshroud Power Scythe, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades]

+ Elites (160pts) +

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (160pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot]

+ Heavy Support (855pts) +

Grave Warden Terminator Squad (285pts) [3x Chainfist, 6x Grave Warden Terminator]

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts)
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells]
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells]

Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (260pts)
····Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array]
····Legion Vindicator Tank [Laser Destroyer Array]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [Traitor, XIV: Death Guard]

+ Lord of War (425pts) +

Mortarion the Reaper (425pts)
····Master of the Legion [The Reaping]

 

 

Sit back and drink in the casualties. Deep strikers? Meet interceptor Volkite culverins and missile launchers. Coming at me? Phosphex. Staying back? Phosphex. 

Siege beaker chills with the Wardens who can trudge across the table due to move through cover. Sure they may get shot up but then they aren't shooting my heavy squads doing the REAL damage. Morty sits back and then teleports to intercept appropriate threats. One change could be switching out the vindicators for a Previan with bots depending on how I felt.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Charlo

[DuskRaider]

Drink in the casualties? Good luck with that.

 

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/20160323_225213_zpsxbpp1wld.jpg

[Charlo]

Well yeah, okay. If I come into someone spending 1500 points on Leviathans and pods it probs won't go too well :P

[Frater Cornelius]

Thank your for that insightful and helpful comment, DuskRaider. I now know that you have money ;)

[DuskRaider]

Well not anymore, lol.