Prot Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'm kind of stuck on this concept, and can't figure it out through theory hammer and it's a somewhat... expensive decision. To put it simply- Is there a strong case for or against using 2 Stormravens in a Grey Knight list.... let's say for context we're talking about 1850 pts. Here's the thing, on the surface, since I like the concept of Purifiers, this seems like a valid way to bring 10-15-20 of them... I haven't figured that part out yet. But in the meantime, I'm finding my 'bulky' HQ's are killing my lists. As a result I am having trouble getting ONE Stormraven into my list. Not because I can't see any value in it, but because I seem to always place greater value on something else in our already small model count.... I confess with Ultra's I had one, but only used it once for a Terminator assault idea. That army seemed to have better choices. (I personally prefer the glass cannon Stormtalons for their points, or just avoid flyers completely). What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Bare minimum Libby (no Cuirass, no PML3) for HQs, should ease the burden somewhat. To be honest, the only time I ever used two Stormravens was when they were first released. I ran a Bangle list with two Ravens carrying 5 Sanguinary Guard with Priest and a Dual Blood Talon Dread (later swapped for a Frag Cannon/Magna Grapple), with Dante attached to an Honour Guard squad in reserves. I tabled the lists I faced, and left folk grumbling. Our Ultra player nearly cried when a Dread disembarked and went snip snip through an entire squad. But this was back in the day of 5th edition. I doubt the list would work as well now. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4011454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I think it's doable, but it's gonna depend a lot on matchups. Against lists without much relevant Skyfire or Interceptor? Sure, they're a fantastic gunboat. Against lists with potent Skyfire or Interceptor? You'll lose one, so taking another means you get at least one of them. Also depends on the rest of your list. If you're planning on going Purifier heavy but you're not taking Allied drop pods, it's fantastic. But Terminators and Strikes don't need a transport, neither do Interceptors. Purgators are trash so they don't matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I run dual ravens since they have been released with my BA. However BA can build army around them while GK seems to me to be much more positional army However I can imagine you can use 2 for combat sq of 10 naked (or inc) purifiers just for the clensing flame madness. If I remeber it correctly you are able to cast CF out of SR even with out hatch. Than get into hower and lunch the assault. ~BT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I've run two storm ravens a couple of times and I find it to be a situational build rather than a core to build your list around. I like it more from a fluff/fun point of view as I figure it is how grey knights and marines arrive at the scene; deep striking, drop podding and storm raven:ening into the thick of it. Bringing in both ravens while humming the ride of the valkyries does bring a certain sense of satisfaction I have to admit. Of course while proclaiming "if I say it is safe to surf, it is safe to surf!" :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The costs...the costs... Plus at least one less round shooting, oh boy. And don't bring against Eldar as they have the best AA in game now, thrice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Unless you have any kind of reserves manipulation there's always the risk of only one arriving whilst the other languishes in reserve. Of course, sometimes this could be advantageous but it's usually better to bring both on together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I run dual ravens since they have been released with my BA. However BA can build army around them while GK seems to me to be much more positional army However I can imagine you can use 2 for combat sq of 10 naked (or inc) purifiers just for the clensing flame madness. If I remeber it correctly you are able to cast CF out of SR even with out hatch. Than get into hower and lunch the assault. ~BT No, you cannot cast Cleansing Flame from a SR, as Witchfire powers require a firing point. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4012599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 However, you can take a locator beacon on the Raven, and then dump the Purifiers out as you Zoom as per the Shadow Skies rule (or whatever they call it now). No scatter Deepstrike, and you can 'Cleansing Flame' to your hearts content. Also, the Purifier bombing happens after the Raven moves, so you get a lot of freedom in terms of where to place them (6" from an access point, or at any point over which the Raven just moved). Of course, preferably you'd wait till Turn 3, go into Hover mode, disembark+'Cleansing Flame'+shoot+charge. But you have to pull the trigger earlier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4014159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Obviously you wouldn't be able to do that the first turn they come in, but it's an interesting tactic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4018142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 The Skyshield Landing Pad array has a special rule allowing a hovering Flyer to start on the landing pad. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4018184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yea, but they can't move into zooming first turn and that leaves you both vulnerable to long range heavy fire and too far from the enemy to put you right into your enemy's lines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4018490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 I've come to the conclusion at 1850 it's just too many points in one basket. I'd love to try it but I just sold off my second Stormraven,and to be frank after a nail biting game waiting for one huge payload to come in, I can't imagine waiting for 2. There's merit in taking comms with 1 Stormraven, but 2? It's almost certain you'd want it. However now we're talking a lot of points, and a small army that gets a lot smaller with so many points dedicated to the reserve cause. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4019027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Also, new Eldar just dropped. Check out the Crimson Death formation. :( I think Ravens are in serious trouble now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4019056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Uh oh. Just the name sounds ugly. lol It's the formations I worry about. It's one thing that the models seem strong in general, but as we've learned from the Decurion, it's the formation that can take it to a whole new level of stupid. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4019075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 They get Preferred Enemy Flyers and FMC's. The only drawback is you have to take 3. It's pretty stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306257-2-stormravens-own-the-skies-or-lame-ducks/#findComment-4019889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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