Chaplain Lucifer Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 So watch packs were assigned to watch over primarchs. I have several questions: We know Guilliman got one and Corax got another. Alpharius got one but it is strange because at the time watch packs wwere dispatched (after Prospero events) they would know already that Alpharius declared for Horus. It is also strange that The Lion and the Khan didn't get one, but then again they could be delayed in the warp. Will the Lion ever get one? Doubt it! Also Dorn should get one. ;) Discuss! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I think it's interesting the Lion didn't get one, but then again, the Emps never doubted the Dangels loyalty. Plus, if you're the guy who punches out Leman, he'll watch your personally. I hope this is covered in the next book where the Angels and the Vlyka meet up for the heretic smackfest that is the crusade back to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Also Dorn should get one. Discuss! He does - Death & Defiance, short story +Howl of the Hearthworld+ is about a wolf pack being sent to terria to watch over Dorn but ADB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandrian Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Good Topic I don't think Loyalty will excuse the Lion from getting one at some point. Sanguinius got one and his loyalty is pretty concrete. (Fear to Tread - James Swallow). Yes, the BA GeneSeed can be brought up as to why they received a Watch Pack. But the Lion's no Saint, he lost his temper and killed one of his sons for speaking out against the use of a Librarian. (The Lion - Gav Thorpe). In my opinion the Lion is willing to do anything he can to "win" and that deserves a Watch Pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 We know Guilliman got one and Corax got another. Alpharius got one but it is strange because at the time watch packs wwere dispatched (after Prospero events) they would know already that Alpharius declared for Horus. It is also strange that The Lion and the Khan didn't get one, but then again they could be delayed in the warp. Will the Lion ever get one? Doubt it! Also Dorn should get one. Discuss! Are you sure you've got your timings right? Seeing as I've read on this forum that Curze got one as well, that would suggest the packs were sent out between the two Istvaan battles, meaning that 12 should have been sent out in all. Therefore the only Legions without packs should be the Wolves themselves (rather obviously), the Sons (because Prospero) and the SoH, WE. DG and EC (the Istvaan III traitors) So, that still leaves the packs sent to Vulkan, Khan, the Lion, Dorn, Ferrus, Pertuarbo and Lorgar to have pointless stories written about them being murdered by the Legion they're sent to/dying pointlessly. And all before the VI Legion get a proper book to themselves . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 . And all before the VI Legion get a proper book to themselves . Wait, they haven't? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 . And all before the VI Legion get a proper book to themselves . Wait, they haven't? I wouldn't say so, as Prospero Burns wasn't really about the Wolves, it was Hawser's story. Unfortunately it's a poor partner to ATS, which actually followed members of the XV and gave true some insight into the Legion. All we've got so far for the Wolves have been outsider's perspectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 In "Howl of the Hearthworld" they talk about how if one must be watched, then all must be. So in theory they were sending a watch pack to keep an eye on each of the Emperor's sons. Timeline-wise however the atrocity at Istvaan III happened almost concurrently with Prospero, so depending on how fast Garro got back to pass the message on, they either had yet to send watch packs to the Sons of Horus, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Death Guard, or they sent them and those poor 4 packs got a rude awakening when they translated in-system. And all before the VI Legion get a proper book to themselves . You do remember the novel "Prospero Burns" by one Mr. Dan Abnett don't you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I guess the primarch whose bodyguards were robots by fear of being assassinated by his own legionaries wouldn't have even conceived the thought of being watched over by extraneous elements. Now the question is, "how far did they go before unnecessarily lowering the IW ammo stock?". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I don't think it is possible to lower the IW ammo stock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 It wouldn't be possible if they weren't mathematicians. But they keep record of each man lost, each bolter shot fired, each grenade thrown that could have been thrown at a point of lower resistance. Where the Ultramarines are accountants, the Iron Warriors are tax collectors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 But for every bolt fired their forge ships have made at least another dozen or two. The IW make well stocked look barren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If you can't crack it with manpower and ordinance it's not worth cracking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4011828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 Guys, the discussion is about SW watchpacks, not IW ordnance levels. That said, I have the opinion the Lion would not tolerate a SW watch pack and would refuse, send them packing or simply an accident would occur. There's too much bad blood between SW and DA... It's good to know I have my chronology wrong, thanks for the explanaton. I will try to acquire those stories, they were missing from my collection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4012408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 While there was bad blood between the DA & the SW's. By the end of the heresy there was a grudging respect and even a possible friendship developing between the two. Its more likely the emnity existed between the legions rather than the leaders. (High handed knight vs barbarian vikings). Slightly OT, but Propsero Burns was a view of the Wolves as related by Kasper Hawser with stories he picked up from them along the way. Remember when he came he was an outsider and the Wolves always knew they were being watched through him, they just didn't know who was doing the watching although they suspected the Thousand Sons. Therefore we do not know if that is the real Wolves or just the public face the like to show., "know thine enemy" and the best way to mess with them is to give them a distorted perception of who you are. Also with bald faced threats thrown in (being all the more dangerous because of the restraints they put on themselves). What Leif Bearclaw is alluding to is that the book wasn't from a Space Wolves legionnaries POV. I suspect all were watched by the Wolves, or atleast attempts were done to do so, after all if the most loyal son could turn, could you really truly trust the others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4013201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 In PB, when they are at Nikea, it is alluded - by a Custodes - that the wolves were already watching all other Legions in some way, and that most/al other Legions were doing the same too... So one can assume that Watch Packs could have existed already, no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306262-vlka-fenrika-watch-packs-spoiler-alert/#findComment-4013503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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