They have iron hands damnit

[deekin]

Do i have to physically represent extra CCWs on my legion tac squads or can i, as topic title stipulates, state to my opponent at the top of the game "this unit has ECCWs as they have iron hand that they punch things with". Would hate to make my lovely MKIII iron hands tac' squads look like they over-packed for their holiday.  Would this interpretation fly in a tourney setting? Thanks. 

[Kizzdougs]

Basically, if you buy an upgrade it should be represented on the model. You could just arm 25-50% of the squad with the combat weapons, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

From a modelling point of view, adding some close combat weapons really gives a squad more character, plus they look great. Don't worry about your minis being too cluttered, they won't be

Wielding a combat gladius.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3459_zpsezo9gnod.jpg

Mag locked to the belt.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3007_zps1cb26da3.jpg

Mag locked to the back.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3010_zps48b9600f.jpg

In my own opinion, none of these legionaries look too cluttered or over equipped.

Having said that, if it's a friendly game and you let your opponent know, you shouldn't have any issues. I would never have an issue playing against you if you claimed that your marines have 'iron hands'. I'd just see it as a missed modelling opportunity.

[deekin]

Basically, if you buy an upgrade it should be represented on the model. You could just arm 25-50% of the squad with the combat weapons, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

From a modelling point of view, adding some close combat weapons really gives a squad more character, plus they look great. Don't worry about your minis being too cluttered, they won't be

Wielding a combat gladius.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3459_zpsezo9gnod.jpg

Mag locked to the belt.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3007_zps1cb26da3.jpg

Mag locked to the back.

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN3010_zps48b9600f.jpg

In my own opinion, none of these legionaries look too cluttered or over equipped.

Having said that, if it's a friendly game and you let your opponent know, you shouldn't have any issues. I would never have an issue playing against you if you claimed that your marines have 'iron hands'. I'd just see it as a missed modelling opportunity.

Thanks for the response (dem' models be hot by the way). It's also from a fluff perspective (also the IH tac squad models already look cluttered heh) i just cant imagine an iron hands marine reaching for his knife he could just give them a good clobbering with his fist. Correct me if i am wrong but don't all iron hands have a bionic left hand plus, a lot of the models have their left arms outstretched or by their side rather than on steadying their bolter which i think represents this.

[Hesh Kadesh]

The old fluff has it as a left hand, the iron hand specific models have the right hand, short story shorter, the assassins creed style "you must chop off your hand" is pretty much a thematic thing only, and is old, old fluff from the old Index Astartes articles which have been ignored, retconned and effectively are nothing more than variant outdated source material. I.e, the Lord Commanders of the Emperor's Children changes from 30 to 2, and the Alpha Legion's origin story said to be lies. Plus, Omegon.

 

A lot has happened in the ~15 years since some of those articles were written.

 

Few people are so uptight on WYSIWYG for CCW's, as models are considered to be equipped with one if they don't have a listed CCW, and you don't see people rushing to equip those models with CCW's. Perhaps attaching either chain bayonets or combat knives as bayonets if you absolutely have to, mainly because you put more force into a thrust with a bayonet as well as extra reach.

[Brother Dallo]

@deekin

 

As far as I'm aware, saying they have metal fists wouldn't cut it for a strict what you see is what you get (WYSIWYG) tournament, but you'd need to check with the organizers. I'm assuming you'll have other power armoured bodies - perhaps support marines or veterans. They come with a bolt pistol standard, and presumably also have fists. This would suggest that they also have an extra attack from having two combat weapons, which they don't. To be 100% true to WYSIWYG, each model will need a bolter, a bolt pistol and a close combat weapon of some type.

 

That said, I'd be fine to play with it, and like kizzdougs suggested many people simply sprinkle in some marines with chainswords and combat blades to represent the extra attack. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dallo

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

The old fluff has it as a left hand, the iron hand specific models have the right hand, short story shorter, the assassins creed style "you must chop off your hand" is pretty much a thematic thing only, and is old, old fluff from the old Index Astartes articles which have been ignored, retconned and effectively are nothing more than variant outdated source material. I.e, the Lord Commanders of the Emperor's Children changes from 30 to 2, and the Alpha Legion's origin story said to be lies. Plus, Omegon.

 

A lot has happened in the ~15 years since some of those articles were written.

 

Few people are so uptight on WYSIWYG for CCW's, as models are considered to be equipped with one if they don't have a listed CCW, and you don't see people rushing to equip those models with CCW's. Perhaps attaching either chain bayonets or combat knives as bayonets if you absolutely have to, mainly because you put more force into a thrust with a bayonet as well as extra reach.

 

FW fluff still states that 30k Iron Hands replace their 'shield hand' with a bionic replacement in honour of their Primarch upon initiation into the Legion, which gives some flexibility as to which hand it is per Legionary depending on their leading arm, which makes way more sense.

[Memento Of Prospero]

I added chain-bayonnets to all my marines to represent this. No one as ever negatively commented the brutal look it gives my legionnaires.