Prot Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I've admitted I know very little about fielding knights, and have only rarely faced them.... I read the allies thread, but aside from just mentioning Knights, I'd like to specifically know which Knight is the best to get? Ideally we're talking an 1850 pt list total. So is there a 'cheap' go to? Or what's the best recommendation? I'm considering buying one so I have some sort of answer to what I see as the next phase in 40K (Wraithknight). Laugh if you want, but like I said, I see this as forewarning of yet more escalation in the game, and I don't NDK's are going to cut it. As well I'm only about 75 points away from making an NDK into a Wraithknight, so I figure, what the heck maybe I swap one out for a Knight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well depends on circumstances. All knights are roughly the same. The paladin is an overall general purpose knight at 375. The errant is a good anti armor and anti 2+knight at 370. The Acheron is 415 for a rerollable d weapon on armor and hellstorm for hordes. The castigator is 380 and works as anti armor anti personal and because his gun is twinlinked, its plausible for anti air. Personally, the errant and castigator have worked best for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The Errant bring what we need, and fights in our range bracket, which is why I prefer the Errant with my GKs over the Paladin. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Errant is best. Castigator can also be good, depending on matchup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The best Knight huh? The Wraithknight Actually, can't we take one now from an Eldar formation now with the new codex? In that case I'm serious. I personally play with the Paladin. The Errant excells against a few particular targets, but in most cases the Paladin does 2 times(!) as much damage as the errant with shooting. That's my experience at least. Then again, I use the Knight mostly along with my CSM. It doesn't matter that much to be honest, because the close combat threat is what you take it for. Large Blasts are a nice addition, but it's not what really 'solves problems' for you. The Strenght D and Stomps solve actual problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Of course this can't be an easy answer, can it? lol With my Chaos, I never took a knight either.... nor the weird Khorne choo-choo train. I don't have the Knight codex... ugh.. so obviously I have to buy that. But the debate between which variant will obviously be up to some playtesting on my part, and some advice from you guys. But just so I'm clear, I need to just buy the 'knight' kit? I see people referring to stuff I'm not familiar with and they look like knights to me: Cerastus? I can't remember. Just making sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah the basic knight is the errant and paladin. Forgeworld sells the a cheron, castigator, lancer, magera and styxx, though styxx is 30k only atm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You can look up rules for the FW knights on their site, plus there are 3 GW versions. I would suggest the lancer one, to get most synergy (one of the fastest - best to catch up with our DS'ed troops) with GK due to its rules. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Titans/CERASTUS_KNIGHT-LANCER.html ~BT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyphax Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 A friend let me borrow his errant for a game and it didnt impress me as much as I thought it would (probably played it wrong), but it did allow for my 2 NDK to go unchecked and wreck house. Also I think there is a white dwarf edition with rules for a special knight errant. Name starts with a G and he has extra +1WS/BS, +3 inv save instead of +4, IWND and some other crazy stuff but comes in a 500 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Grenaticus. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 500 pts? wow. I played against a guy using a formation that was pretty strong. He had 3 Knights running with the energy shield stuff... some bonus thing where if they're in close formation it made them a little tougher. That's pretty much playing pure Knights, but I wonder if just taking a few and just dropping NDK's altogether might be a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I consider Knights to be super-DKs, to be taken in addition to your DKs because they synergize very well. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 That's pretty much playing pure Knights, but I wonder if just taking a few and just dropping NDK's altogether might be a thought. Why would you want to drop NDK's all together if I may ask? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 That's pretty much playing pure Knights, but I wonder if just taking a few and just dropping NDK's altogether might be a thought. Why would you want to drop NDK's all together if I may ask? Well... just trying to think of ways to come up with the points to fit a Knight in without killing my already paltry numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4014998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well... just trying to think of ways to come up with the points to fit a Knight in without killing my already paltry numbers. Knights complement Dreadknights better in general than they complement Characters or numbers. For example: Libby; Cuirass 125 5 Terminators; Psycannon 185 5 Terminators; Psycannon 185 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Knight Errant 370 Knight Errant 370 Total: 1850 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4015151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well... just trying to think of ways to come up with the points to fit a Knight in without killing my already paltry numbers. Knights complement Dreadknights better in general than they complement Characters or numbers. For example: Libby; Cuirass 125 5 Terminators; Psycannon 185 5 Terminators; Psycannon 185 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Dreadknight; teleporter, psycannon, sword 205 Knight Errant 370 Knight Errant 370 Total: 1850 Is this list legal? As mentioned I actually don't own the codex. Sorry, I will buy it , but I just bought a TON of Grey Knights stuff, so I'm just trying to figure out what I need to budget for..... But getting back to the list, yea that looks really fun... for me! For my opponent? Oh, man I'd love to test this out but I would definitely tell my opponents first. Oddly enough though it's probably not going to be that great in the Psychic department.... which feels.... strange. But yea, that's a simple, but nasty looking list. I should figure out how to use it, build it, take it to a tournament see how many people I can get to quit 40k. lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4015162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think a list very similar to this one ranked 8th or something at the LVO? Haven't looked it up though, maybe it's different (I put 2 Knights in a list with 3 Dreadknights and it comes to this lol). Either way: Yeah, it's a competitive list, but it's also to show you how easily it is to fit Imperial Knights along with Dreadknights ^^ However, you could easily scale it down to a more 'normal'/'managable' version. (Using 1 Knight and 2 Dreadknights already frees up 575 points after all!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4015170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The LVO list was: PML2 Libby w/ Staff, Stormbolter 5man GKT w/ Psycannon, Hammer 5man GKT w/ Psycannon, Hammer NDK w/ PT. H Psy, Sword NDK w/ PT, H Psy, Hammer NDK w/ PT, H Psy. Hammer Errant Errant 1850pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4015349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Doesn't Knights becomes Lord of War when you take them as allies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4018000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Doesn't Knights becomes Lord of War when you take them as allies?No. Knights taken from the IK codex form their own detachments of 1-3 Knights. Forge World Knights have a special rule allowing them to be taken as LoW for any Imperial army if taken on its own, while if taken with other Knights will form a normal Knight detachment (although you cannot have more of any one specific FW Knight than you have of any other Knight). SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4018045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Personally I'm waiting to see the new knights before I make a decision... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4018047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Doesn't Knights becomes Lord of War when you take them as allies?No. Knights taken from the IK codex form their own detachments of 1-3 Knights. Forge World Knights have a special rule allowing them to be taken as LoW for any Imperial army if taken on its own, while if taken with other Knights will form a normal Knight detachment (although you cannot have more of any one specific FW Knight than you have of any other Knight). SJ Ok, thx for the acclaration. Personally I'm waiting to see the new knights before I make a decision... Wait, what new Knight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4018114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Wardens and Crusaders. Those two will most likely be a single kit like the Paladin and Errant. They are artillery level Knights, heavier armor, slower, vastly more firepower, next to no CC (will probably rely on kicks and Stomps). SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4018182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sorry for my ignorance, but are these new knights rumours? Or where did this come from? Also, please bare with me as I don't have the codex yet (But will buy it)..... would it be a good idea to field one of each of these recommendations? (since it seems the opinions are split on which variant to use.) Errant / Paladin? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4019319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sorry for my ignorance, but are these new knights rumours? Or where did this come from? Also, please bare with me as I don't have the codex yet (But will buy it)..... would it be a good idea to field one of each of these recommendations? (since it seems the opinions are split on which variant to use.) Errant / Paladin? Yes, rumours for new Knights. I would not buy the Imperial Knight codex anymore at this point. Out of the 4 or so rulespages, almost 2 complete pages got FAQ'ed out of existence. That leaves roughly 2 pages of relevant rules, taken up mostly by pictures lol. No but seriously, not worth your money mate! I'd await a new codex, which I'm sure will come in the not to far future, they're selling really well (the Knights) after all :) Yes, any combination works really. Errant/Paladin, Errant/Errant or Paladin/Paladin. Both variants are so similar in execution and viability that it really doesn't matter much or anything at all, unless you absolutely know what you play against beforehand, then probably one of the variants can be concluded as being better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306390-which-knight/#findComment-4019328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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