Guardsman1275 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I had the idea of using WWII models as astra militarum models, however I ran into a problem first here are the models I will be using Autocannon: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1374 Lascannon: http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=2265 this is a different scale, so I will try to find a different model. Infantry: http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/world-war-2/ww2-russian-infantry-28 My problem is making this look like a 40k army. While I love how the models look and think that they look a lot like Guardsmen I am not sure that my original plan of putting cadian lasgun arms on them will work. Do you think that the cadian arms will fit even though they are historical not heroic scale? If not do you think that they look enough like guardsmen to field in 40k or should I do something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 GW models will tower over those. Although called 28mm, GW models are closer to 30 or even 32 mm. That would be in the 1/60 to 1/56 ratio. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Okay, I will try to find differend models then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Sounds like me with fantasy. If fantasy ever takes off here, I'm selling my actual GW models and using Roman Empire figs as my Empire army. Onagers and Scorpions as mortars and cannons. It'll be a blast. Carry on and find the models that best fit what you want. It'll make painting them fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I wouldn't have an issue with you playing with those figures. It's probably best to talk with your play group to see if they would accept the slightly smaller models since they will be your competitors. As far as aesthetics go, you could justify the weaponry by saying that they're from a feudal world or a world that has only recently rejoined the imperium after being isolated in the warp for a time. You could say that the weapons are las-locks or some such and you're good to go. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 how short will the minis be on guardsmen do you think? All I know is that the models on the anti tank gun are 24 mm high. No info on the wargames factory models though. Actually now that I think about it these models will be closer to scale than regular guardsmen models, as regular guardsmen are the size of a fully armoured space marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 I just read that the models I am going to use as heavy weapons go well with the wargames factory minitarures Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4017579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I like the idea because I am doing the same thing. I don't play in GW stores so the "must be GW figs" isn't a big deal to me. Bolt action vehicles or even 1/48 scale vehicles are much smaller than their GW scale equivalents. I have a 1/48th scale panzer IV and the Wyvern model is soooo much bigger in body even though they are the same scale. It makes a 1/48 Marder II look like a clown car even though the figure models work perfectly in them. The figure size is less the height, and more the bulk. I put a crewman for a hydra standing next to a BA German and they would be almost the same height, its the difference between you standing next to another normal sized guy of a different height. No big deal there. But sheer bulkiness is astounding. Heroic and truescale are such different animals its silly. No wonder the vehicles look oddly huge, they made them so they don't look wonkily out of proportion to the troopers. I will be using Bolt Action Fallshirmjagers as imperial guard Elysians. Yes they are smaller but they actually look like they might fit in the transports. Reason being is I had wanted to expand my BA force anyway and I can get away with painting a full camo army instead of two camo armies. I plan on the multitude of aircraft being painted in Luftwaffe colors from Europe along with all the non-Nazi markings. Anyone carrying anything other than a special weapon is a lasgun guy. MG42s and their loaders are heavy bolters I do not plan on using missile launchers but panzershrecks are obvious Grenade launchers are Panzerknackers I will have to have a small group of plastics using GW melta and plasma guns and yes they will be large. I might have to order FW weapons sprues since they are slightly smaller than GWs. Flamers are well.... flamers. There are a lot of crew served weapons that look close enough to be analogues and obviously a mortar is a mortar. Since I am looking at at least 7 aircraft, 3 dune buggies, and 4 sentinels I wont have massive numbers of troops but there should be at least a platoon +SWSs, two vet squads, and a CCS. I have storm troopers currently but might look into doing some SS guys as stormtroopers at a later date. What kind of vehicles do you have planned? Can you think of any WW2 vehicles that would work for Tauros Venators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4018002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 I have not found a model, but an SdKfz 250 half track if you can find one with a turret it should fit your needs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4018083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 For vehicles I will use GW vehicles, I am using Russian miniatures, and IG vehicles look russian anyways. I am taking 2 wyverns, 2 tanks and a chimera in my 1000 point list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4018091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Tauros could use a panzer Mark 1 or 2 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Even though the panzer 1 and 2 where light, they were not that light. I do not htink that it would keep the feel of an airborne regiment to take a tank model. As for a german model I still think that the german halftracks are the place to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I think I will use an SDFK 222 and simply replace the autocannon with a twin linked lascannon. Its open topped and wheeled and looks the part and played a similar part in real life. Really looking forward to the new plastic Bolt Action German Heer that just came up for pre-order. They look amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Here's what a bolt action guardsman would look like, by the way...not bad, but it illustrates the difference between 28mm and 28mm heroic, I think! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Here's what a bolt action guardsman would look like, by the way...not bad, but it illustrates the difference between 28mm and 28mm heroic, I think! If you stick them on the same height base that would add 1.5 mm or 2mm. Seeing the comparison shot I don't see an issue. It's like raising troops from Asian or Europe or Africa. There's an going to be some places (in 40k terms read planets) which have a bigger average height than others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Plus there isn't too much internal consistency for GW's models anyway, so a few millimetres isn't going to make a difference in height. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4019993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 You make a good point...the GW minis are a bit bulkier, with wrists the diameter of the bolt action miniatures' thighs, but the height is the same. The only glaring issue is that the WWII figure has a rifle the diameter of the kasrkin's backpack antenna...that GW wargear is cartoonishly oversized (as we already know from cardboard boltguns on cosplayers). I guess it's workable, the main obstacle is that the arms/hands are molded for the existing weapons, converting to GW lasguns would be a lot of work, probably with imperfect results. I mean, the rifle in the picture is pristine on the sprue, there are channels cut into the back side of the firing arm to make him cradle it like that, and his firing hand looks like a miscast on the sprue, then somehow looks spot-on when it's all put together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4020071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carraigf Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 http://product-images.highwire.com/10566728/male-bare-empty-arms_240.jpg These arms from Vic are pretty good,there's also rolled sleeve and combat variants all of which should scale Ok to your torsos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4020131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 I have decided to stick with the weapons that come with the kit. Thanks a lot for the size compairison, I was worried that they would be totally tiny next to guardsmen, so I have more peace of mind about buying them now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4020270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 and now it won't look like guardsmen have arms the thickness of terminator armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4020273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I was looking at the heavy weapons I was buying, but I noticed that the models that come with it are 24 mm high, will they be tiny? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4022405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter h Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They will but, you could hide this by placing debris, or walls even camo netting. Play with the placement of items to distort the perceived size. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4022510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I am using the wargames factory models, how tall are they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4023160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 about yae high... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4023632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 how high? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306531-using-wwii-models-as-astra-militarum/#findComment-4023670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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